T610 battery
Posts: n/a I bought T610 and have just one question - how nust I charge mobile phone that battery last as long os possible? - e.g.4 hours, mobile phone must be turned off, charging onlywhen it turns off by itself ets??? Please email me at iipsa@isokn.hr Regards Isabella  Responses to "T610 battery"
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Posts: n/a Re: T610 battery On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 15:08:06 -0000, "Paul Busby" <me@privacy.net>wrote: >Initially charge the battery overnight a couple of times. Not needed, applies to NiMH. >Running them down low once or twice a >fortnight & recharging as desired in between is probably the best way. No, it's not a good idea. You'll shorten the life expectancy or even damage the cell. Although it's true if you're talking about a NiMH battery. >However, it was recommended to always charge the battery with the phone >switched on with earlier models so the phone's electronics & not just the >chip in the battery can intelligently manage charging. I don't know if this >still applies to current SE models but I would still assume so & always (or >mostly) charge with the T610 powered up. ???? The phone is not totally turned off and the recharging electronics in phone is, OF COURSE, always running, with the phone on OR off. >I can't comment on how repeated charging from a car's lighter socket will >effect how long the battery will last before it noticeably drops standby >time, I've heard they recharge far quicker by design but may stress the >battery in the process. ???? again 1. The recharging circuit of the phone is normally fed with a voltage somewhere between 5 and 17 V. 2. The phone itself transforms the voltage to suit the cell. 3. The circuits in the Li-Ione cell then masters the actual recharge. Last edited by ankurmva : 10-24-2008 at 08:51 AM.
Posts: n/a Re: T610 battery Thus spake BG:>> Initially charge the battery overnight a couple of times. > > Not needed, applies to NiMH. Sorry not true, most batteries with the possible exception lead acid will benefit from a couple of initial discharge/recharge cycles. With Li ion batteries, they get to full capacity quickly. I personally don't purposefully discharge Li ion battery packs but my usage sometimes dictates I get down to say 1 bar on the meter. It does no harm, just topping them up daily also does no harm. In other words, Li ion batteries don't really need any special care & are far more forgiving than NiMH. >> Running them down low once or twice a >> fortnight & recharging as desired in between is probably the best >> way. > > No, it's not a good idea. You'll shorten the life expectancy or even > damage the cell. Although it's true if you're talking about a NiMH > battery. Again, not true. Most mobile phone Li ion battery packs have electronics in them to disconnect themselves before damage happens. Naked Li ion cells should indeed not be fully discharged, the same for lead acid. >> However, it was recommended to always charge the battery with the >> phone switched on with earlier models so the phone's electronics & >> not just the chip in the battery can intelligently manage charging. >> I don't know if this still applies to current SE models but I would >> still assume so & always (or mostly) charge with the T610 powered up. > > ???? The phone is not totally turned off and the recharging > electronics in phone is, OF COURSE, always running, with the phone on > OR off. Then why the hell did Ericsson for example, recommend leaving the phone ON? However, as stated in my original reply, newer models may have all of the battery management circuitry active or they may not, especially if they try to store the state of charge in memory. This was discussed here a couple of years back IIRC, with T28/39 batteries. >> I can't comment on how repeated charging from a car's lighter socket >> will effect how long the battery will last before it noticeably >> drops standby time, I've heard they recharge far quicker by design >> but may stress the battery in the process. > > ???? again > 1. The recharging circuit of the phone is normally fed with a voltage > somewhere between 5 and 17 V. > 2. The phone itself transforms the voltage to suit the cell. > 3. The circuits in the Li-Ione cell then masters the actual recharge. Care to explain why several people have stated that their phone charges quicker from their car's battery than when mains charging? I would guess this is a deliberate design feature. I'm left feeling that you are nit-picking! -- Thank people in advance? Thanking or cursing them afterwards at least gives some feedback!
Posts: n/a Re: T610 battery On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 22:21:47 -0000, "Paul Busby" <me@privacy.net>wrote: <- snip -> > I'm left feeling that you are nit-picking! Pity you're not focused on the arguments. Last edited by ankurmva : 10-24-2008 at 08:52 AM.
Posts: n/a Re: T610 battery Thus spake BG:> On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 22:21:47 -0000, "Paul Busby" <me@privacy.net> > wrote: > > <- snip -> > >> I'm left feeling that you are nit-picking! > > Pity you're not focused on the arguments. WTF? You are quoting out of context. What about the rest of my reply? Unless you've replied via email only to the OP, all you've achieved is to confuse the issue, in other words, your priority seems to be arguing with me rather than actually helping the OP or anyone else reading this. -- Thank people in advance? Thanking or cursing them afterwards at least gives some feedback!
Posts: n/a Re: T610 battery On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 22:21:47 -0000, "Paul Busby" <me@privacy.net>wrote: <- snip -> > I'm left feeling that you are nit-picking! If you're interrested in getting some facts about rechargeable cells and batteries, have a look at http://homepage.te.hik.se/personal/t.../abstracts.htm http://www.batteryuniversity.com http://www.buchmann.ca http://www.cadex.com http://www.sandia.gov/news-center/ne...erlithium.html http://www.powerstream.com/BatteryFAQ.html http://www.powerstream.com/li.htm http://www.apple.com/batteries/ -- ====================================== phone pages http://borgus.net ---- http://osbymikro.tk ====================================== free sms http://2sms.tk
Posts: n/a Re: T610 battery On Mon, 24 Jan 2005 13:36:58 -0000, "Paul Busby" <me@privacy.net>wrote: >Thus spake BG: >> On Sun, 23 Jan 2005 22:21:47 -0000, "Paul Busby" <me@privacy.net> >> wrote: >> >> <- snip -> >> >>> I'm left feeling that you are nit-picking! >> >> Pity you're not focused on the arguments. > >WTF? You are quoting out of context. What about the rest of my reply? Yes, what about it? >Unless you've replied via email only to the OP, Of course I have! She/he asked for it. Why shouldn't I? Do you want me to post my answer here, too, to correct your errors? > all you've achieved is to confuse the issue, Read the web sites I posted and see who is confusing! >in other words, your priority seems to be arguing with me You're trying lower the level of debate. I'm not interrested. As up to now, I have refused to "argue" with you. Why should I? I'm ONLY interrested in facts, very little in your potentially hurt ego. > rather than actually helping the OP or anyone else reading this. That's what I did when I tried to stop you spreading missunderstandings. -- ====================================== phone pages http://borgus.net ---- http://osbymikro.tk ====================================== free sms http://2sms.tk
Posts: n/a Re: T610 battery Thus spake BG:>> Unless you've replied via email only to the OP, > > Of course I have! She/he asked for it. Why shouldn't I? Do you want me > to post my answer here, too, to correct your errors? Of course I do. Why just give the OP the benefit of your superior knowledge? If I've disseminated incorrect information, you wouldn't want anyone else following this thread to be misinformed any more than I (as if you gave a fig for my ego & of course you don't have one). As for the links, why didn't you post them in your 1st reply? I was wondering when you would proffer some. Anyhow, enough of this sparring for the moment. My interest in secondary cell technology was rekindled when a guy I worked with complained that the NiMH batteries he was using were inferior to Ni-Cad equivalents (higher/lower internal resistance). I was also interested in de-passivation of Li ion batteries as I'd heard so little mention of it. Reading some of the links was very interesting but not always that consistent; the charge current variation (fractions of C) depended on the site (possibly taken from different manufacturer's data sheets). Your 1st link, although not the most relevant, covered the environmental impact of manufacturing, transporting, ROI etc - nice to know that someone bothered to do this research. Also great to hear that Sandia Labs are developing better composite anode material - all very exciting & hopefully will lead to greater capacities. Probably the most useful link was: http://www.batteryuniversity.com/ Where it suggests in more than one article that Li ion batteries don't need preconditioning & the instructions to do so in mobile phone manuals are a hangover from NiMH. I'd admit this guy probably knows far more than me & perhaps you on the subject but this still fails to explain why many mobile users comment that full capacity is reached /after/ a couple of recharge cycles. A friend recently mentioned this with his new SPV-C500. I jokingly said it was because he was playing with it more (new toy) - he refuted this due to being far too busy to do so when new to the phone. -- Thank people in advance? Thanking or cursing them afterwards at least gives some feedback!
Posts: n/a Re: T610 battery Ok, here's a copy of my email to OP>You can charge your Li-Pol cell just as you feel like. Some scientists >claim you could let it run low, maybe once a month, by letting your >phone turn off itself. Other scientists say that the latest versions of > Li-Pol cells donīt need any special handling. >If you discharge the cell outside of the phone, say with a bulb, you >will most probably destroy the cell. >Built into the cells is an intelligent circuit which masters the charging, > so you don't have to care. >After you have started to use the cell you'll notice an increasing >standby time. After appr 5 recharging cycles the cell would have > reached the nominal capacity. Happy now? -- ====================================== phone pages http://borgus.net ---- http://osbymikro.tk ====================================== free sms http://2sms.tk
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