an interesting issue....

I can see your point..... but i think if you did offer any kind of legal
challenge (i know your not likely to, I'm just saying) you would likely
throw the whole media world into uproar.

Think about it. "I bought this album on vinyl twenty years ago, I want it on
CD for £1"

or something that affects millions of people at the moment, converting film
collections from video to DVD. Apparently HMV did some research last year
(i read it somewhere). They did this research because for the first time in
a dogs age visual media (ie DVD) had out sold CD.

They did the research and found that most people were, as I said replacing
video's with DVD's. I'm sure if you won your legal case and set that legal
precedent then HMV (and others) profits would crash and burn.

well after that little rant, whats the N-gage like ? any good ? worth the
money ?

do you see it as a games machine with a built in phone OR a phone with great
games options ?




"a_dude" <blax@blox.com> wrote in message
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> heres an interesting issue that popped into my head.....
>
> I bought a legitamate copy of Doom for the PC years ago....
>
> Now I have an Ngage, why do I have to purchase essentially the same
product
> and pay for it?
>
> and by that I mean its the same bloody game....same product....
>
> now I know that programming code is vastly different..... except for the
> algorythms which is essentially 'the product' as I would term it....
>
> and by the way I have been programming for over 20 years ...from IC chips,
> assembler, C++, Basic, Fotran, Cobol, and now the internet flavours....
>
> I cannot see how I, as a programmer would have the audacity to charge
> someone full price to use basically the same product since all I do is
port
> the algorythm....
>
> once I have a licence (PC) shoudnt I have the option of only paying a
small
> fee (porting costs I assume would be one tenth of the product inital cost)
> since I have the original licence?
>
> what do all you think ?
>
>

the thing that interests me is developing totally new games via bluetooth,
not turn-based games but interactive...2-4 players etc...and putting a
communication system into the game as well...

thats what taking my interest...

at the moment im knee deep in new methods and procedures...so bear with me

cheers

and who said i wont challenge or go to court....come on... come after me

"Charlie" <mr.charliecroker@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:brp71k$ag7$1@titan.btinternet.com...
> I can see your point..... but i think if you did offer any kind of legal
> challenge (i know your not likely to, I'm just saying) you would likely
> throw the whole media world into uproar.
>
> Think about it. "I bought this album on vinyl twenty years ago, I want it
on
> CD for £1"
>
> or something that affects millions of people at the moment, converting
film
> collections from video to DVD. Apparently HMV did some research last year
> (i read it somewhere). They did this research because for the first time
in
> a dogs age visual media (ie DVD) had out sold CD.
>
> They did the research and found that most people were, as I said replacing
> video's with DVD's. I'm sure if you won your legal case and set that
legal
> precedent then HMV (and others) profits would crash and burn.
>
> well after that little rant, whats the N-gage like ? any good ? worth
the
> money ?
>
> do you see it as a games machine with a built in phone OR a phone with
great
> games options ?
>
>
>
>
> "a_dude" <blax@blox.com> wrote in message
>
news:3fdfb493$0$900$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-02.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.au...
> > heres an interesting issue that popped into my head.....
> >
> > I bought a legitamate copy of Doom for the PC years ago....
> >
> > Now I have an Ngage, why do I have to purchase essentially the same
> product
> > and pay for it?
> >
> > and by that I mean its the same bloody game....same product....
> >
> > now I know that programming code is vastly different..... except for the
> > algorythms which is essentially 'the product' as I would term it....
> >
> > and by the way I have been programming for over 20 years ...from IC
chips,
> > assembler, C++, Basic, Fotran, Cobol, and now the internet flavours....
> >
> > I cannot see how I, as a programmer would have the audacity to charge
> > someone full price to use basically the same product since all I do is
> port
> > the algorythm....
> >
> > once I have a licence (PC) shoudnt I have the option of only paying a
> small
> > fee (porting costs I assume would be one tenth of the product inital
cost)
> > since I have the original licence?
> >
> > what do all you think ?
> >
> >
>
>

ill give u a running review of the ngage as i get to grips with it...

its still boxed up...im still waiting for it...

patience is a virtue....i only know Im definately getting it by the 7th Jan
2004 since i won it

cheers

"Charlie" <mr.charliecroker@btopenworld.com> wrote in message
news:brp71k$ag7$1@titan.btinternet.com...
> I can see your point..... but i think if you did offer any kind of legal
> challenge (i know your not likely to, I'm just saying) you would likely
> throw the whole media world into uproar.
>
> Think about it. "I bought this album on vinyl twenty years ago, I want it
on
> CD for £1"
>
> or something that affects millions of people at the moment, converting
film
> collections from video to DVD. Apparently HMV did some research last year
> (i read it somewhere). They did this research because for the first time
in
> a dogs age visual media (ie DVD) had out sold CD.
>
> They did the research and found that most people were, as I said replacing
> video's with DVD's. I'm sure if you won your legal case and set that
legal
> precedent then HMV (and others) profits would crash and burn.
>
> well after that little rant, whats the N-gage like ? any good ? worth
the
> money ?
>
> do you see it as a games machine with a built in phone OR a phone with
great
> games options ?
>
>
>
>
> "a_dude" <blax@blox.com> wrote in message
>
news:3fdfb493$0$900$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-02.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.au...
> > heres an interesting issue that popped into my head.....
> >
> > I bought a legitamate copy of Doom for the PC years ago....
> >
> > Now I have an Ngage, why do I have to purchase essentially the same
> product
> > and pay for it?
> >
> > and by that I mean its the same bloody game....same product....
> >
> > now I know that programming code is vastly different..... except for the
> > algorythms which is essentially 'the product' as I would term it....
> >
> > and by the way I have been programming for over 20 years ...from IC
chips,
> > assembler, C++, Basic, Fotran, Cobol, and now the internet flavours....
> >
> > I cannot see how I, as a programmer would have the audacity to charge
> > someone full price to use basically the same product since all I do is
> port
> > the algorythm....
> >
> > once I have a licence (PC) shoudnt I have the option of only paying a
> small
> > fee (porting costs I assume would be one tenth of the product inital
cost)
> > since I have the original licence?
> >
> > what do all you think ?
> >
> >
>
>

You dont think there was people working hard to port the game? an i386 cpu
and the system (OS, and hardware) in a nokia phone are DRASTICALLY different
... not to mention changing compression and storage of the textures/data
files, adapting to a smaller keypad, different key input system, different
hardware in EVERY instance, and probably a lot of re-writing of algorithims
to adapt to the processor speed and I/O systems if needed.

Someones gotta pay for this. Not to mention you lisenced the game to be
played on an i386 system. Now youv lisenced a copy to be played on a nGage.
If you bought MS Office for Windows, it doesnt lisence you to legally use a
copy of MS Office for Mac .. Same Deal.



"a_dude" <blax@blox.com> wrote in message
news:3fdfb493$0$900$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-02.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.au...
> heres an interesting issue that popped into my head.....
>
> I bought a legitamate copy of Doom for the PC years ago....
>
> Now I have an Ngage, why do I have to purchase essentially the same
product
> and pay for it?
>
> and by that I mean its the same bloody game....same product....
>
> now I know that programming code is vastly different..... except for the
> algorythms which is essentially 'the product' as I would term it....
>
> and by the way I have been programming for over 20 years ...from IC chips,
> assembler, C++, Basic, Fotran, Cobol, and now the internet flavours....
>
> I cannot see how I, as a programmer would have the audacity to charge
> someone full price to use basically the same product since all I do is
port
> the algorythm....
>
> once I have a licence (PC) shoudnt I have the option of only paying a
small
> fee (porting costs I assume would be one tenth of the product inital cost)
> since I have the original licence?
>
> what do all you think ?
>
>

thats what Bill Gates dictated back in the 80s and everyone followed him...

despite what the americans think....intellectual property is the property of
society not u!

society made u...society owns u...society owns what u give up after your
dead....

called public domain....Mickey Mouse should be Public domain now....

hes not since they decided to get greedy and change the rules....

and I hope you've actually ported anything...cuz I have...and believe me it
aint that hard if you document your code

called good programming....not sloppy american programming.....

cheers

"Lord-Data" <data@ihug.com.au> wrote in message
news:3fe04c9c$1@nexus.comcen.com.au...
> You dont think there was people working hard to port the game? an i386 cpu
> and the system (OS, and hardware) in a nokia phone are DRASTICALLY
different
> .. not to mention changing compression and storage of the textures/data
> files, adapting to a smaller keypad, different key input system, different
> hardware in EVERY instance, and probably a lot of re-writing of
algorithims
> to adapt to the processor speed and I/O systems if needed.
>
> Someones gotta pay for this. Not to mention you lisenced the game to be
> played on an i386 system. Now youv lisenced a copy to be played on a
nGage.
> If you bought MS Office for Windows, it doesnt lisence you to legally use
a
> copy of MS Office for Mac .. Same Deal.
>
>
>
> "a_dude" <blax@blox.com> wrote in message
>
news:3fdfb493$0$900$61c65585@uq-127creek-reader-02.brisbane.pipenetworks.com.au...
> > heres an interesting issue that popped into my head.....
> >
> > I bought a legitamate copy of Doom for the PC years ago....
> >
> > Now I have an Ngage, why do I have to purchase essentially the same
> product
> > and pay for it?
> >
> > and by that I mean its the same bloody game....same product....
> >
> > now I know that programming code is vastly different..... except for the
> > algorythms which is essentially 'the product' as I would term it....
> >
> > and by the way I have been programming for over 20 years ...from IC
chips,
> > assembler, C++, Basic, Fotran, Cobol, and now the internet flavours....
> >
> > I cannot see how I, as a programmer would have the audacity to charge
> > someone full price to use basically the same product since all I do is
> port
> > the algorythm....
> >
> > once I have a licence (PC) shoudnt I have the option of only paying a
> small
> > fee (porting costs I assume would be one tenth of the product inital
cost)
> > since I have the original licence?
> >
> > what do all you think ?
> >
> >
>
>