Nokia 6600 ? or wait (smartphone or pda replacement)

just been checking out the sendo x spec, it kills the nokia 6600
its can even sync with my outlook inbox.

another phone to watch out for is the sony p900

As far as my ipaq 3660 is concerned all i do on it is read my avantgo news channels

which you can now get on the symbian phones.

"issie" <israel_id@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> just been checking out the sendo x spec, it kills the nokia 6600
> its can even sync with my outlook inbox.
>
> another phone to watch out for is the sony p900
>
> As far as my ipaq 3660 is concerned all i do on it is read my avantgo news
channels
>
> which you can now get on the symbian phones.

yes, but the screen size, and ease of use alone are enough to warrant the
PDA IMO. a PDA with a GSM CF card, and a BT headset are still much better
than smartphones alone. Symbian is no match for windows yet, and I can't
really see it ever will be. a PDA is vastly superior for text entry, and
readability. the screen on my 3650 is far beyond my 6510, but still cramped
and low quality compared to my PDA.

Convergence between the two device has to happen, and already is, but so far
I haven't really liked any of the solutions. I think the MS smartphone OS
has to be the market leader here. I don't want to just synch my outlook DB
to the phone, I want to use outlook on the phone. we are still a long way
off the Microsoft strategy of 'do anything, with any computing device' I
like the idea of such a goal, but advanced as smartphones are, the computing
power and compatibility is still a long way behind a windows pocket PC. the
annoying feature lost in the current series 60 range is the document
compatibility. the 9xxx series could do so much more. if anything the newer
smartphones are dumbed down. they are geared towards the wrong thing. there
is no point having full blown MMS capabilities and a half assed email
client, when a decent email client could handle anything MMS can do and
more - MMS is a toy designed to get us to send expensive messages. why
couldn't we have just used email as a file transfer protocol for the image?
WAP has always been a gimmick, but now even more so. it's still nothing
compared to proper HTML, which is entirely possible on these devices, but
like email/MMS, the lesser technology is the more heavily supported. (shades
of betamax)

Portable productivity needs a PDA, but to be used effectively, the PDA needs
a mobile internet connection, and we ourselves need the communications of a
phone line. both of these need a long range wireless network, which for now
at least has to be the existing cellular network. wi-fi hotspots are not the
answer, they are too few, and too short range (no use if you need to call
the AA to the middle of nowhere). catch 22. we need the phone line of the
cellphone, and any decent phone is going to duplicate many of the functions
of the PDA, resulting in a bigger, more expensive phone than we may need.

Largely this will need to sit with the masses, and let sales and society
decide. unfortunately not enough people even know of PDA's to know of the
alternative to a smartphone. If I pull my phone out to write an email in the
middle of a pub, no one would bat an eyelid, but if I try and do the same
task on my PDA, half a dozen people ask me 'what on earth is that'. I'm
afraid that the public will vote for smartphones, and hence we will be left
with again the lesser of two technologies.

Martin Crosbie

hi!!!

well, to me a phone is a phone with voice capabilities
and with good datacomm capabilities.

using it for voice, the phone can be small and doesn't
need colour screens and other multimedia playthings.

when using it for datacomm, i connect the phone to my
laptop with bluetooth for serious use of the net and to
have a decent keyboard and display.

anything between these is a waste of time and a too big
compromise.
(anyone see why wap never catched on? i put up a small
wapsite on my server just for fun and to see if it's any
good. no, it isn't...)

thus i'm (still) waiting for faster datacomm. i manage
well with gprs for mail and newsreading with 42 kb/s,
but for netsurfing i'd love to have a faster connection.
in our country it seems we'll have to wait until next
year before we get umts, which can give almost 400 kb/s
(on a good day!), which is more than adekvat for
netsurfing on travelling foot.(at home i have 1Mb/s). oh
yes, there are a few experimental umts sites of course
but not much for the public.

i see in the papers, nokia sold 400.000 n-gage phones
the first two weeks so i suppose fancy playthings have
their audience too...:-)

cheers,

asta

"Martin Crosbie"
> "issie" <israel_id@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> news:6174008d.0310230307.9aac378@posting.google.co m...
> > just been checking out the sendo x spec, it kills
the nokia 6600
> > its can even sync with my outlook inbox.
> >
> > another phone to watch out for is the sony p900
> >
> > As far as my ipaq 3660 is concerned all i do on it
is read my avantgo news
> channels
> >
> > which you can now get on the symbian phones.
>
> yes, but the screen size, and ease of use alone are
enough to warrant the
> PDA IMO. a PDA with a GSM CF card, and a BT headset
are still much better
> than smartphones alone. Symbian is no match for
windows yet, and I can't
> really see it ever will be. a PDA is vastly superior
for text entry, and
> readability. the screen on my 3650 is far beyond my
6510, but still cramped
> and low quality compared to my PDA.
>
> Convergence between the two device has to happen, and
already is, but so far
> I haven't really liked any of the solutions. I think
the MS smartphone OS
> has to be the market leader here. I don't want to just
synch my outlook DB
> to the phone, I want to use outlook on the phone. we
are still a long way
> off the Microsoft strategy of 'do anything, with any
computing device' I
> like the idea of such a goal, but advanced as
smartphones are, the computing
> power and compatibility is still a long way behind a
windows pocket PC. the
> annoying feature lost in the current series 60 range
is the document
> compatibility. the 9xxx series could do so much more.
if anything the newer
> smartphones are dumbed down. they are geared towards
the wrong thing. there
> is no point having full blown MMS capabilities and a
half assed email
> client, when a decent email client could handle
anything MMS can do and
> more - MMS is a toy designed to get us to send
expensive messages. why
> couldn't we have just used email as a file transfer
protocol for the image?
> WAP has always been a gimmick, but now even more so.
it's still nothing
> compared to proper HTML, which is entirely possible on
these devices, but
> like email/MMS, the lesser technology is the more
heavily supported. (shades
> of betamax)
>
> Portable productivity needs a PDA, but to be used
effectively, the PDA needs
> a mobile internet connection, and we ourselves need
the communications of a
> phone line. both of these need a long range wireless
network, which for now
> at least has to be the existing cellular network.
wi-fi hotspots are not the
> answer, they are too few, and too short range (no use
if you need to call
> the AA to the middle of nowhere). catch 22. we need
the phone line of the
> cellphone, and any decent phone is going to duplicate
many of the functions
> of the PDA, resulting in a bigger, more expensive
phone than we may need.
>
> Largely this will need to sit with the masses, and let
sales and society
> decide. unfortunately not enough people even know of
PDA's to know of the
> alternative to a smartphone. If I pull my phone out to
write an email in the
> middle of a pub, no one would bat an eyelid, but if I
try and do the same
> task on my PDA, half a dozen people ask me 'what on
earth is that'. I'm
> afraid that the public will vote for smartphones, and
hence we will be left
> with again the lesser of two technologies.
>
> Martin Crosbie

"asta" <joan@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> hi!!!
>
> well, to me a phone is a phone with voice capabilities
> and with good datacomm capabilities.
>
> using it for voice, the phone can be small and doesn't
> need colour screens and other multimedia playthings.

A colour screen is at least far more readable, and generally bettter quality
than a mono one. I need a phone that can at least do something towards the
internet / multimedia. If I go out to a nightclub for example, I don't have
the pockets to carry a PDA aswell, and wouldn't particularly want to risk
the unit, but I still want to be able to show a friend a video, or picture.

> when using it for datacomm, i connect the phone to my
> laptop with bluetooth for serious use of the net and to
> have a decent keyboard and display.
>
> anything between these is a waste of time and a too big
> compromise.
> (anyone see why wap never catched on? i put up a small
> wapsite on my server just for fun and to see if it's any
> good. no, it isn't...)

WAP was far to small, and even now relies on WAP specific content, which
everyone seems reluctant to provide. I've never seen a bank offering
internet banking by WAP, even though nearly all offer an internet service.
there is much it could do, but no-one will let it, and certainly now, when
we have devices that are more than capable of giving us full HTML
capabilities, there is no point including it, but we still have WAP its a
waste.

>
> thus i'm (still) waiting for faster datacomm. i manage
> well with gprs for mail and newsreading with 42 kb/s,
> but for netsurfing i'd love to have a faster connection.
> in our country it seems we'll have to wait until next
> year before we get umts, which can give almost 400 kb/s
> (on a good day!), which is more than adekvat for
> netsurfing on travelling foot.(at home i have 1Mb/s). oh
> yes, there are a few experimental umts sites of course
> but not much for the public.

In the UK, 3G is available here and now, but with a limited coverage area.
but only on one network. thats been available for a year, but still the
other networks have issued nothing to compete, and there are no nokia's that
are suitable for such a network.

> i see in the papers, nokia sold 400.000 n-gage phones
> the first two weeks so i suppose fancy playthings have
> their audience too...:-)

unfortunately the general public always seems to choose the lesser option,
and the compaines seem very reluctant to try and increase public awareness
on newer technologies. and even when they do, it's in such a fashion that it
'looks' too expensive, and joe bloggs ignores it as a gimmick.

Martin Crosbie

going back to my initial query
i found a software which seems quit good called mobipocket
it looks like i can sync just about everything using this software.
http://www.mobipocket.com

i havent tried it yet

On 23 Oct 2003 04:07:51 -0700, israel_id@yahoo.com (issie) wrote some stuff
about "Re: Nokia 6600 ? or wait (smartphone or pda replacement)", to which I
would like to add the following:

>just been checking out the sendo x spec, it kills the nokia 6600
>its can even sync with my outlook inbox.
>
>another phone to watch out for is the sony p900
>
>As far as my ipaq 3660 is concerned all i do on it is read my avantgo news channels

You do know that there's AvantGo for Nokia Symbian phones as well right? A
bit slowish but it does work.

Cheers,
Chanchao

On Fri, 24 Oct 2003 04:21:04 +0100, "Martin Crosbie"
<MartincrosbieDONTBOTHER@vodafone.net> wrote some stuff about "Re: Nokia 6600
? or wait (smartphone or pda replacement)", to which I would like to add the
following:

>there is no point having full blown MMS capabilities and a half assed email
>client, when a decent email client could handle anything MMS can do and
>more - MMS is a toy designed to get us to send expensive messages.

Hear hear.. :-) My thoughts exactly.

>why couldn't we have just used email as a file transfer protocol for the image?
>WAP has always been a gimmick, but now even more so. it's still nothing
>compared to proper HTML, which is entirely possible on these devices, but
>like email/MMS, the lesser technology is the more heavily supported. (shades
>of betamax)

Yes.. but.. WAP is quite a bit cheaper to use in terms of kilobytes
transmitted. You could check the latest news or scores on BBC's wap site
using quite a bit less kilobytes ($$$) compared to a regular web site. While
the Opera browser (6.1, released VERY recently) has no trouble displaying a
site like CNN.com in full, it's rather costly.

>Largely this will need to sit with the masses, and let sales and society
>decide. unfortunately not enough people even know of PDA's to know of the
>alternative to a smartphone. If I pull my phone out to write an email in the
>middle of a pub, no one would bat an eyelid, but if I try and do the same
>task on my PDA, half a dozen people ask me 'what on earth is that'.

Yes.. but.. if you flip out your phone during a business meeting to make some
notes then everyone is like 'what on earth are you toying around with your
phone for'. With a PDA on the other hand it's more accepted, and common, to be
taking notes using one.

Cheers,
Chanchao

yes am aware that there is avantgo for the symbian phones, but it
doesn't let me save my fav channels on the mmc card which the
mobipocket does.

arrr just to tell you all i have now managed port my music listing
7,000 songs which was in excel format to a database like html on my
phone, very very usful
when iam in a record store to check if i have a paticular song.