AT&T Wireless

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In <4240f078$1_2@x-privat.org> on Tue, 22 Mar 2005 23:31:45 -0000,
"JoaoManuel" <JManuell@clix.pt> wrote:

>I was and believe still am an AT&T customer but with this merger with
>Cingular my phone a V600 now says Cingular as opposed to AT&T.
>
>My question is this, as a consumer what are my rights? I signed up a
>contract with AT&T but now have Cingular.

Why does this bother you? You get to keep the same rate plan, or migrate to a
Cingular plan at low cost. You have greatly expanded mobile-to-mobile
calling. You have free roaming on the entire Cingular network. Is the name
displayed on your phone so important?

--
Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>

:-)))
The phone is AT&T with and Cingular software.

What bothers me is that they can do anything they want to us such as selling
themselves and we have to accept new carrier but if we wanted or tried going
to some other carrier we would have to pay the penalty.

"John Navas" <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
newsGg0e.11942$m31.124448@typhoon.sonic.net...
> [POSTED TO alt.cellular.motorola - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
>
> In <4240f078$1_2@x-privat.org> on Tue, 22 Mar 2005 23:31:45 -0000,
> "JoaoManuel" <JManuell@clix.pt> wrote:
>
> >I was and believe still am an AT&T customer but with this merger with
> >Cingular my phone a V600 now says Cingular as opposed to AT&T.
> >
> >My question is this, as a consumer what are my rights? I signed up a
> >contract with AT&T but now have Cingular.
>
> Why does this bother you? You get to keep the same rate plan, or migrate
to a
> Cingular plan at low cost. You have greatly expanded mobile-to-mobile
> calling. You have free roaming on the entire Cingular network. Is the
name
> displayed on your phone so important?
>
> --
> Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
> John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>

They can do whatever they want in accordance to what you agreed to when you
signed the contract. If you didn't like the terms you shouldn't have signed
it. You could have just bought a prepaid card and not had a contract. True,
they give you better rates and a better discount on the phone if you sign a
contract but that's the bargain you make for doing it.
To Cingular/ATT's credit, from what I understand, they will still honor the
terms of the original contract with respect to rate plans and features and,
at the same time, allow you to switch to a different Cingular plan if you
prefer. Seems that the only thing that's changed is the name. AT&T has
always had the option of changing their name - company's do it all the time,
particularly in the Telecom biz.


"JoaoManuel" <JManuell@clix.pt> wrote in message
news:42422f51$1_1@x-privat.org...
> :-)))
> The phone is AT&T with and Cingular software.
>
> What bothers me is that they can do anything they want to us such as
> selling
> themselves and we have to accept new carrier but if we wanted or tried
> going
> to some other carrier we would have to pay the penalty.
>
> "John Navas" <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
> newsGg0e.11942$m31.124448@typhoon.sonic.net...
>> [POSTED TO alt.cellular.motorola - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
>>
>> In <4240f078$1_2@x-privat.org> on Tue, 22 Mar 2005 23:31:45 -0000,
>> "JoaoManuel" <JManuell@clix.pt> wrote:
>>
>> >I was and believe still am an AT&T customer but with this merger with
>> >Cingular my phone a V600 now says Cingular as opposed to AT&T.
>> >
>> >My question is this, as a consumer what are my rights? I signed up a
>> >contract with AT&T but now have Cingular.
>>
>> Why does this bother you? You get to keep the same rate plan, or migrate
> to a
>> Cingular plan at low cost. You have greatly expanded mobile-to-mobile
>> calling. You have free roaming on the entire Cingular network. Is the
> name
>> displayed on your phone so important?
>>
>> --
>> Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
>> John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>
>
>

brobin relax, I just asked a question about my rights as a costumer.
If you bought a Porsche to find out later you had a BMW engine in it, it
seems it would be fine w/you because you signed on the dotted line.
I think we should not have to go along and be sold as phone companies, banks
and so on desire. My opinion

"brobin" <nospam@atmyplace.com> wrote in message
news:zIB0e.28765$Ux.6250@tornado.texas.rr.com...
> They can do whatever they want in accordance to what you agreed to when
you
> signed the contract. If you didn't like the terms you shouldn't have
signed
> it. You could have just bought a prepaid card and not had a contract.
True,
> they give you better rates and a better discount on the phone if you sign
a
> contract but that's the bargain you make for doing it.
> To Cingular/ATT's credit, from what I understand, they will still honor
the
> terms of the original contract with respect to rate plans and features
and,
> at the same time, allow you to switch to a different Cingular plan if you
> prefer. Seems that the only thing that's changed is the name. AT&T has
> always had the option of changing their name - company's do it all the
time,
> particularly in the Telecom biz.
>
>
> "JoaoManuel" <JManuell@clix.pt> wrote in message
> news:42422f51$1_1@x-privat.org...
> > :-)))
> > The phone is AT&T with and Cingular software.
> >
> > What bothers me is that they can do anything they want to us such as
> > selling
> > themselves and we have to accept new carrier but if we wanted or tried
> > going
> > to some other carrier we would have to pay the penalty.
> >
> > "John Navas" <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
> > newsGg0e.11942$m31.124448@typhoon.sonic.net...
> >> [POSTED TO alt.cellular.motorola - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
> >>
> >> In <4240f078$1_2@x-privat.org> on Tue, 22 Mar 2005 23:31:45 -0000,
> >> "JoaoManuel" <JManuell@clix.pt> wrote:
> >>
> >> >I was and believe still am an AT&T customer but with this merger with
> >> >Cingular my phone a V600 now says Cingular as opposed to AT&T.
> >> >
> >> >My question is this, as a consumer what are my rights? I signed up a
> >> >contract with AT&T but now have Cingular.
> >>
> >> Why does this bother you? You get to keep the same rate plan, or
migrate
> > to a
> >> Cingular plan at low cost. You have greatly expanded mobile-to-mobile
> >> calling. You have free roaming on the entire Cingular network. Is the
> > name
> >> displayed on your phone so important?
> >>
> >> --
> >> Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
> >> John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>
> >
> >
>
>

On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 16:15:27 GMT, brobin <nospam@atmyplace.com> wrote:
>They can do whatever they want in accordance to what you agreed to when you
>signed the contract. If you didn't like the terms you shouldn't have signed
>it. You could have just bought a prepaid card and not had a contract. True,
>they give you better rates and a better discount on the phone if you sign a
>contract but that's the bargain you make for doing it.
> To Cingular/ATT's credit, from what I understand, they will still honor the
>terms of the original contract with respect to rate plans and features and,
>at the same time, allow you to switch to a different Cingular plan if you
>prefer. Seems that the only thing that's changed is the name. AT&T has
>always had the option of changing their name - company's do it all the time,
>particularly in the Telecom biz.

As a roamer on Cingular in 2004, I found they billed me for listening to a
ringing tone - which I was not billed for when roaming on AT&T. If
Cingular do that sort of billing to their own customers, surely that will
also impact those ex-AT&T people who were used to being billed from when
the phone was answered....

--
-- Michael "Soruk" McConnell
Eridani MailStripper - http://mailstripper.eridani.co.uk - Uncovers Everything!

I'm quite relaxed, thanks - particularly after the chocolate martini before
dinner. No, if I bought a Porsche and found a BMW engine in it, it would NOT
be OK with me but that's beside the point. Your analogy is flawed in that
there was no "bait and switch" or substitution of another company's product.
The ATT product became the Cingular product. While I understand that some
people are resistant to any change, companies are bought, sold and merged
all the time - it's called free enterprise. If the new entity fails to honor
the terms of your contract you can claim a breach and sue for damages,
specific performance or relief from your obligations.

"JoaoManuel" <JManuell@clix.pt> wrote in message
news:42437efa$1_3@x-privat.org...
> brobin relax, I just asked a question about my rights as a costumer.
> If you bought a Porsche to find out later you had a BMW engine in it, it
> seems it would be fine w/you because you signed on the dotted line.
> I think we should not have to go along and be sold as phone companies,
> banks
> and so on desire. My opinion
>
> "brobin" <nospam@atmyplace.com> wrote in message
> news:zIB0e.28765$Ux.6250@tornado.texas.rr.com...
>> They can do whatever they want in accordance to what you agreed to when
> you
>> signed the contract. If you didn't like the terms you shouldn't have
> signed
>> it. You could have just bought a prepaid card and not had a contract.
> True,
>> they give you better rates and a better discount on the phone if you sign
> a
>> contract but that's the bargain you make for doing it.
>> To Cingular/ATT's credit, from what I understand, they will still honor
> the
>> terms of the original contract with respect to rate plans and features
> and,
>> at the same time, allow you to switch to a different Cingular plan if you
>> prefer. Seems that the only thing that's changed is the name. AT&T has
>> always had the option of changing their name - company's do it all the
> time,
>> particularly in the Telecom biz.
>>
>>
>> "JoaoManuel" <JManuell@clix.pt> wrote in message
>> news:42422f51$1_1@x-privat.org...
>> > :-)))
>> > The phone is AT&T with and Cingular software.
>> >
>> > What bothers me is that they can do anything they want to us such as
>> > selling
>> > themselves and we have to accept new carrier but if we wanted or tried
>> > going
>> > to some other carrier we would have to pay the penalty.
>> >
>> > "John Navas" <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
>> > newsGg0e.11942$m31.124448@typhoon.sonic.net...
>> >> [POSTED TO alt.cellular.motorola - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
>> >>
>> >> In <4240f078$1_2@x-privat.org> on Tue, 22 Mar 2005 23:31:45 -0000,
>> >> "JoaoManuel" <JManuell@clix.pt> wrote:
>> >>
>> >> >I was and believe still am an AT&T customer but with this merger with
>> >> >Cingular my phone a V600 now says Cingular as opposed to AT&T.
>> >> >
>> >> >My question is this, as a consumer what are my rights? I signed up a
>> >> >contract with AT&T but now have Cingular.
>> >>
>> >> Why does this bother you? You get to keep the same rate plan, or
> migrate
>> > to a
>> >> Cingular plan at low cost. You have greatly expanded mobile-to-mobile
>> >> calling. You have free roaming on the entire Cingular network. Is
>> >> the
>> > name
>> >> displayed on your phone so important?
>> >>
>> >> --
>> >> Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
>> >> John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>
>> >
>> >
>>
>>
>
>

Just a side note: the car thing happens all the time. Not Porsche to BMW
per se, but some BMW's had GM transmissions. Volvo diesels had VW engines.
Kia uses Toyota parts. Ford 5-speed by Mazda, etc.
I'm also AT&T (family plan) and my phone still says AT&T Wireless while my
wife's says Cingular. Who cares.


"JoaoManuel" <JManuell@clix.pt> wrote in message
news:42437efa$1_3@x-privat.org...
> brobin relax, I just asked a question about my rights as a costumer.
> If you bought a Porsche to find out later you had a BMW engine in it, it
> seems it would be fine w/you because you signed on the dotted line.
> I think we should not have to go along and be sold as phone companies,
banks
> and so on desire. My opinion
>
> "brobin" <nospam@atmyplace.com> wrote in message
> news:zIB0e.28765$Ux.6250@tornado.texas.rr.com...
> > They can do whatever they want in accordance to what you agreed to when
> you
> > signed the contract. If you didn't like the terms you shouldn't have
> signed
> > it. You could have just bought a prepaid card and not had a contract.
> True,
> > they give you better rates and a better discount on the phone if you
sign
> a
> > contract but that's the bargain you make for doing it.
> > To Cingular/ATT's credit, from what I understand, they will still honor
> the
> > terms of the original contract with respect to rate plans and features
> and,
> > at the same time, allow you to switch to a different Cingular plan if
you
> > prefer. Seems that the only thing that's changed is the name. AT&T has
> > always had the option of changing their name - company's do it all the
> time,
> > particularly in the Telecom biz.
> >
> >
> > "JoaoManuel" <JManuell@clix.pt> wrote in message
> > news:42422f51$1_1@x-privat.org...
> > > :-)))
> > > The phone is AT&T with and Cingular software.
> > >
> > > What bothers me is that they can do anything they want to us such as
> > > selling
> > > themselves and we have to accept new carrier but if we wanted or tried
> > > going
> > > to some other carrier we would have to pay the penalty.
> > >
> > > "John Navas" <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
> > > newsGg0e.11942$m31.124448@typhoon.sonic.net...
> > >> [POSTED TO alt.cellular.motorola - REPLY ON USENET PLEASE]
> > >>
> > >> In <4240f078$1_2@x-privat.org> on Tue, 22 Mar 2005 23:31:45 -0000,
> > >> "JoaoManuel" <JManuell@clix.pt> wrote:
> > >>
> > >> >I was and believe still am an AT&T customer but with this merger
with
> > >> >Cingular my phone a V600 now says Cingular as opposed to AT&T.
> > >> >
> > >> >My question is this, as a consumer what are my rights? I signed up a
> > >> >contract with AT&T but now have Cingular.
> > >>
> > >> Why does this bother you? You get to keep the same rate plan, or
> migrate
> > > to a
> > >> Cingular plan at low cost. You have greatly expanded
mobile-to-mobile
> > >> calling. You have free roaming on the entire Cingular network. Is
the
> > > name
> > >> displayed on your phone so important?
> > >>
> > >> --
> > >> Best regards, HELP FOR CINGULAR GSM & SONY ERICSSON PHONES:
> > >> John Navas <http://navasgrp.home.att.net/#Cingular>
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>