Re: Threw out my StarTAC for a v60...

Posted: 07-06-2003, 02:45 PM

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>And I now realize what a horrible, HORRIBLE mistake I've made.
>
>To condense and distill the essence of the differences between these
>two phones, we can sum it up as follows: The StarTAC was engineered by
>adults, and the v60 by kids....................................

I had my Startac and my V60 on a family plan for 2 years. In every
location the V60 blew away the Startac with every feature. If any of
what you have posted is true, your V60 is defective.

_________________________
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http://www.metrospy.com/boycott_brands.htm

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Al G

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Re: Threw out my StarTAC for a v60...

Posted: 07-06-2003, 04:20 PM

Karen said:

"......condition also effects those who change
wireless carriers."

Which meaning stated below shows the correct usuage of the work "effects"
ef·fect (i-fekt')
n.

1.. Something brought about by a cause or agent; a result.
2.. The power to produce an outcome or achieve a result; influence: The
drug had an immediate effect on the pain. The government's action had no
effect on the trade imbalance.
3.. A scientific law, hypothesis, or phenomenon: the photovoltaic effect.
4.. Advantage; avail: used her words to great effect in influencing the
jury.
5.. The condition of being in full force or execution: a new regulation
that goes into effect tomorrow.
6..
1.. Something that produces a specific impression or supports a general
design or intention: The lighting effects emphasized the harsh atmosphere of
the drama.
2.. A particular impression: large windows that gave an effect of
spaciousness.
3.. Production of a desired impression: spent lavishly on dinner just
for effect.
7.. The basic or general meaning; import: He said he was greatly worried,
or words to that effect.
8.. effects Movable belongings; goods.
tr.v., -fect·ed, -fect·ing, -fects.
1.. To bring into existence.
2.. To produce as a result.
3.. To bring about. See Usage Note at affect1.
idiom:
in effect

In essence; to all purposes: testimony that in effect contradicted her
earlier statement.

[Middle English, from Old French, from Latin effectus, from past participle
of efficere, to accomplish : ex-, ex- + facere, to make.]

ef·fect'er n.

"Karen" <kconan@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
news:Z3WNa.53749$8B.43976@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
> I have had my V60i for a year, used to have a StarTAC. Although I liked
the
> StarTAC, I would not trade back for it. You are suffering from "wireless
> change remorse." This is a common problem. You have been using a
wireless
> phone for a while, it has become second nature to you and you have adapted
> to the characteristics of the phone. But, you got tired or it and were
> lured to something more modern, something with the latest features. You
> reached the breaking point and aquired a new phone. This phone, while
> perfectly fine, although exhibiting a different set of characteristics,
> feels strange to you - it is foreign to what your hand-eye coordination
and
> ear have become used to. So, you immediately blame the phone and wish you
> had stayed with your old phone. In a month or two, your body will adapt
to
> this new phone and everything will be fine - that is until you go through
> the process all over again. This condition also effects those who change
> wireless carriers.
>
> A fellow geek
>
> "AJ" <ajpk3@hotmail.comremove> wrote in message
> news:ls9ggv09mes364km4a4q34smmlqpojsvn4@4ax.com...
> >
> > >And I now realize what a horrible, HORRIBLE mistake I've made.
> > >
> > >To condense and distill the essence of the differences between these
> > >two phones, we can sum it up as follows: The StarTAC was engineered by
> > >adults, and the v60 by kids....................................
> >
> > I had my Startac and my V60 on a family plan for 2 years. In every
> > location the V60 blew away the Startac with every feature. If any of
> > what you have posted is true, your V60 is defective.
> >
> > _________________________
> > French Connection:
> > http://www.metrospy.com/boycott_brands.htm
>
>

Real Estate Agent

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Re: Threw out my StarTAC for a v60...

Posted: 07-06-2003, 05:51 PM

"Karen" wrote....
> You are suffering from "wireless
> change remorse." This is a common problem.

I LOVE IT! My new phrase of the day....

It replaces the one below, which I picked up last week.

-Paul-

_____________________________________
From a real estate appraiser's report on a 1965 ranch with small closets,
small bathrooms, and a tiny kitchen:
"The floor plan is functionally obsolete."
____________________________________

R W

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Re: Threw out my StarTAC for a v60...

Posted: 07-06-2003, 06:00 PM

She typed an "e" instead of an "a," making one of the 10 most common
usage mistakes in the English language. You really thought it necessary
to write 3/4 of a page about it?
You also misspelled "word" ("...the work 'effects'...")

--
RW
"I've got the pistol, so I'll keep the pesos; yeah, that seems fair."

"Al G" <aglasser@sc.rr.com> wrote in article
<M6XNa.177951$nr.8159389@twister.southeast.rr.com> :
>
>
>
>
>
>
> Karen said:
>
> "......condition also effects those who change
> wireless carriers."
>
>
> Which meaning stated below shows the correct usuage of the work "effects"
> ef·fect (i-fekt')
> n.
>
> 1.. Something brought about by a cause or agent; a result.
> 2.. The power to produce an outcome or achieve a result; influence: The
> drug had an immediate effect on the pain. The government's action had no
> effect on the trade imbalance.
> 3.. A scientific law, hypothesis, or phenomenon: the photovoltaic effect.
> 4.. Advantage; avail: used her words to great effect in influencing the
> jury.
> 5.. The condition of being in full force or execution: a new regulation
> that goes into effect tomorrow.
> 6..
> 1.. Something that produces a specific impression or supports a general
> design or intention: The lighting effects emphasized the harsh atmosphere of
> the drama.
> 2.. A particular impression: large windows that gave an effect of
> spaciousness.
> 3.. Production of a desired impression: spent lavishly on dinner just
> for effect.
> 7.. The basic or general meaning; import: He said he was greatly worried,
> or words to that effect.
> 8.. effects Movable belongings; goods.
> tr.v., -fect·ed, -fect·ing, -fects.
> 1.. To bring into existence.
> 2.. To produce as a result.
> 3.. To bring about. See Usage Note at affect1.
> idiom:
> in effect
>
> In essence; to all purposes: testimony that in effect contradicted her
> earlier statement.
>
> [Middle English, from Old French, from Latin effectus, from past participle
> of efficere, to accomplish : ex-, ex- + facere, to make.]
>
> ef·fect'er n.
>
> "Karen" <kconan@bigfoot.com> wrote in message
> news:Z3WNa.53749$8B.43976@twister.nyroc.rr.com...
> > I have had my V60i for a year, used to have a StarTAC. Although I liked
> the
> > StarTAC, I would not trade back for it. You are suffering from "wireless
> > change remorse." This is a common problem. You have been using a
> wireless
> > phone for a while, it has become second nature to you and you have adapted
> > to the characteristics of the phone. But, you got tired or it and were
> > lured to something more modern, something with the latest features. You
> > reached the breaking point and aquired a new phone. This phone, while
> > perfectly fine, although exhibiting a different set of characteristics,
> > feels strange to you - it is foreign to what your hand-eye coordination
> and
> > ear have become used to. So, you immediately blame the phone and wish you
> > had stayed with your old phone. In a month or two, your body will adapt
> to
> > this new phone and everything will be fine - that is until you go through
> > the process all over again. This condition also effects those who change
> > wireless carriers.
> >
> > A fellow geek
> >
> > "AJ" <ajpk3@hotmail.comremove> wrote in message
> > news:ls9ggv09mes364km4a4q34smmlqpojsvn4@4ax.com...
> > >
> > > >And I now realize what a horrible, HORRIBLE mistake I've made.
> > > >
> > > >To condense and distill the essence of the differences between these
> > > >two phones, we can sum it up as follows: The StarTAC was engineered by
> > > >adults, and the v60 by kids....................................
> > >
> > > I had my Startac and my V60 on a family plan for 2 years. In every
> > > location the V60 blew away the Startac with every feature. If any of
> > > what you have posted is true, your V60 is defective.
> > >
> > > _________________________
> > > French Connection:
> > > http://www.metrospy.com/boycott_brands.htm
> >
> >
>
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David L

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Re: Threw out my StarTAC for a v60...

Posted: 07-06-2003, 06:34 PM

Yes, an insightful explanation of the discomfort involved with changing
cellular handset user interfaces.

I'm sure many other Motorola users also get a shock when switching from
the legacy startac UI to modern Motorolas. It's just as easy to switch
to almost any other handset, since the entire UI was changed.

I'd never go back to the startac. After doing plenty of field RF
reception tests, many modern phones get just as good D/A reception.
Digital is much better.

I do miss the ergonomic "ears" or flare on top the startac case.
The V60 is a lovely design, and well supported with accessories, but too
slippery.

I believe Chinese manufacturing QC problems "affect" the reliability of
Motorola's entire line.
I'd still be using my V60 if they could get rid of the high pitched
whine

-----
David

"Karen" <kconan@bigfoot.com> wrote in article
<Z3WNa.53749$8B.43976@twister.nyroc.rr.com>:
> I have had my V60i for a year, used to have a StarTAC. Although I liked the
> StarTAC, I would not trade back for it. You are suffering from "wireless
> change remorse." This is a common problem. You have been using a wireless
> phone for a while, it has become second nature to you and you have adapted
> to the characteristics of the phone. But, you got tired or it and were
> lured to something more modern, something with the latest features. You
> reached the breaking point and aquired a new phone. This phone, while
> perfectly fine, although exhibiting a different set of characteristics,
> feels strange to you - it is foreign to what your hand-eye coordination and
> ear have become used to. So, you immediately blame the phone and wish you
> had stayed with your old phone. In a month or two, your body will adapt to
> this new phone and everything will be fine - that is until you go through
> the process all over again. This condition also effects those who change
> wireless carriers.
>
> A fellow geek
>
> "AJ" <ajpk3@hotmail.comremove> wrote in message
> news:ls9ggv09mes364km4a4q34smmlqpojsvn4@4ax.com...
> >
> > >And I now realize what a horrible, HORRIBLE mistake I've made.
> > >
> > >To condense and distill the essence of the differences between these
> > >two phones, we can sum it up as follows: The StarTAC was engineered by
> > >adults, and the v60 by kids....................................
> >

[posted via phonescoop.com - free web access to the alt.cellular groups]

Larry

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Re: Threw out my StarTAC for a v60...

Posted: 07-06-2003, 10:42 PM

On Sun, 06 Jul 2003 16:51:38 GMT, "Real Estate Agent"
<spamblockCaryRealtor@nc.rr.com> wrote:

>_____________________________________
>From a real estate appraiser's report on a 1965 ranch with small closets,
>small bathrooms, and a tiny kitchen:
>"The floor plan is functionally obsolete."
>____________________________________
>
The big difference between one of these and my mobile home is my
mobile home's $16/year tax bill...(c; Been there done that. My tax
bill was over $1800 in the last "house" I owned. Maintenance costs
were about another $2-3K/year. I washed off the aluminum skin on the
mobile home, last week. I didn't, actually, I paid a guy going
through our neighborhood $25 and he also pressure washed the nice
patio...

If everyone is getting rich owning a house, why isn't the BANK buying
houses?......

73 de Larry W4CharlestonSC
RF radiation hazards since 1957...

Guy Under The Bridge

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Re: Threw out my StarTAC for a v60...

Posted: 07-06-2003, 11:15 PM

davNOLindiSpamatHotmaildotcom (David L) wrote in message news:<vggndp9hdmhe2c@corp.supernews.com>...

> Yes, an insightful explanation of the discomfort involved with changing
> cellular handset user interfaces.

The problem with newgroups like these, I realize, is that the
participants are unable to distinguish good from bad, and suffer from
a stunted ability for logic.

I mentioned serious, *objective* failures of the v60, such as the
painfully evident artifacting and other distortion issues. Having
grown use to such performance, and not having a fully developed
ability to discern, some have defended the "reception" quality of the
phone, even claiming it have superior performance to the StarTAC.
Since the audio quality has been indicated as a concern from many
different users under many different networks, we may be reasonably
assured that the failure is with the phone itself, and not a
subjective matter of perception.

The central issue with the v60 is its terrible audio performance. The
poor ergonomics and buggy software I may probably grow to tolerate,
just I have have grown to tolerate certain of the StarTAC quirks.
However, the poor audio performance in unacceptable because I know the
difference between good loud, sharp, artifact-free audio and muted and
heavily-artifacting audio.

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Re: Threw out my StarTAC for a v60...

Posted: 07-06-2003, 11:46 PM

>The central issue with the v60 is its terrible audio performance.

Mine is crystal clear. But, then I knew enough to set it to 13K!
_________________________
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http://www.metrospy.com/boycott_brands.htm

Karen

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Re: Threw out my StarTAC for a v60...

Posted: 07-06-2003, 11:56 PM

First let me apologize for the improper use of the word "effect." I went
right out and had A-F-F-E-C-T tatooed to my left butt cheek.

Wireless phones are like cars - some people like certain features and
performance that other people would not want anything to do with.
"Objective" failures like "not starting" would be one thing - trying to
assess the acceleration is subject to personal perception and preference.

"Guy Under The Bridge" <GUTB@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:835ab1b3.0307061415.541edbea@posting.google.c om...
> davNOLindiSpamatHotmaildotcom (David L) wrote in message
news:<vggndp9hdmhe2c@corp.supernews.com>...
>
> > Yes, an insightful explanation of the discomfort involved with changing
> > cellular handset user interfaces.
>
> The problem with newgroups like these, I realize, is that the
> participants are unable to distinguish good from bad, and suffer from
> a stunted ability for logic.
>
> I mentioned serious, *objective* failures of the v60, such as the
> painfully evident artifacting and other distortion issues. Having
> grown use to such performance, and not having a fully developed
> ability to discern, some have defended the "reception" quality of the
> phone, even claiming it have superior performance to the StarTAC.
> Since the audio quality has been indicated as a concern from many
> different users under many different networks, we may be reasonably
> assured that the failure is with the phone itself, and not a
> subjective matter of perception.
>
> The central issue with the v60 is its terrible audio performance. The
> poor ergonomics and buggy software I may probably grow to tolerate,
> just I have have grown to tolerate certain of the StarTAC quirks.
> However, the poor audio performance in unacceptable because I know the
> difference between good loud, sharp, artifact-free audio and muted and
> heavily-artifacting audio.

Steve

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Re: Threw out my StarTAC for a v60...

Posted: 07-07-2003, 11:30 PM

In article <835ab1b3.0307061415.541edbea@posting.google.com >,
GUTB@hotmail.com (Guy Under The Bridge) wrote:

> davNOLindiSpamatHotmaildotcom (David L) wrote in message
> news:<vggndp9hdmhe2c@corp.supernews.com>...
>
> > Yes, an insightful explanation of the discomfort involved with changing
> > cellular handset user interfaces.

>
> The problem with newgroups like these, I realize, is that the
> participants are unable to distinguish good from bad, and suffer from
> a stunted ability for logic.

Why did you post your original meessage anyway?

You seem to only be happy if people agree with your original premise.

If they don't, then it's their problem that they can't distinguish
between good and bad, and you can, right?

What you are saying is that the people who like their V60 and consider
it an improvement over the Startac don't know what they are talking
about.

There are probably some legit reasons why your particular phone has
problems, but the rest of us are not idiots when it comes to deciding
what we like and what we think is better.

If you don't like your opinion challenged (and it is an opinion, not
fact), why even post one in the first place?

Just stating that this newsgroup's participants are unable to
distinguish between good and bad just proves you are an ass.

>
> I mentioned serious, *objective* failures of the v60, such as the
> painfully evident artifacting and other distortion issues. Having
> grown use to such performance, and not having a fully developed
> ability to discern, some have defended the "reception" quality of the
> phone, even claiming it have superior performance to the StarTAC.
> Since the audio quality has been indicated as a concern from many
> different users under many different networks, we may be reasonably
> assured that the failure is with the phone itself, and not a
> subjective matter of perception.
>
> The central issue with the v60 is its terrible audio performance. The
> poor ergonomics and buggy software I may probably grow to tolerate,
> just I have have grown to tolerate certain of the StarTAC quirks.
> However, the poor audio performance in unacceptable because I know the
> difference between good loud, sharp, artifact-free audio and muted and
> heavily-artifacting audio.

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