64 Bit Sim Cards Philippines?

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In <fOJ8g.56$Fr4.136326@news.sisna.com> on Thu, 11 May 2006 12:40:39 -0400,
"Frank Thomas" <nospam@yahoo.com> wrote:

>
>"Frank Thomas" <nospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:av78g.85$Wi.16401@news.sisna.com...
>> I was going to buy an unlocked Cingular 2125 phone, so I could use my old
>> NEC 415 Sim card in locally and when I travel to the Philippines or
>Jamaica
>> or any of the other places I go, pop in a local SIM card.
>>
>> I just made the discover that the Cingular 2125 phone uses a 64 bit SIM
>card
>> (as explained by Cingular) and my old card in my NEC is a 32 bit and will
>> not work. Which means SIM cards that I used to use from abroad that worked
>> in my NEC won't work in the 2125.
>>
>> So here is my question: does anyone know if you can buy 64 bit SIM cards
>> outside of the US in any of the following places: Philippines, Jamaica,
>> Panama.
>>
>> Thanks!
>>
>
>
>Well I thought I would post what I found out from some unlocking services:
>
>1) The Cingular 2125 can be unlocked, there are a few services that say
>they
>
>2) They say it will run a 32 bit SIM card, they are supposed to be backwards
>compatible, but, it will not have as much memory and certain
>applications will not work. As such, the expectation is that unlocked 64 bit
>phones should be able to run 32 bit SIMs from other countries at least for
>making phone calls.


Do you really mean 32K and 64K? That refers to size in kilobytes, not bits.

--
Best regards, SEE THE FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS AT
John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>

"John Navas" <spamfilter0@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
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> In <fOJ8g.56$Fr4.136326@news.sisna.com> on Thu, 11 May 2006
12:40:39 -0400,
> "Frank Thomas" <nospam@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Frank Thomas" <nospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:av78g.85$Wi.16401@news.sisna.com...
> >> I was going to buy an unlocked Cingular 2125 phone, so I could use my
old
> >> NEC 415 Sim card in locally and when I travel to the Philippines or
> >Jamaica
> >> or any of the other places I go, pop in a local SIM card.
> >>
> >> I just made the discover that the Cingular 2125 phone uses a 64 bit SIM
> >card
> >> (as explained by Cingular) and my old card in my NEC is a 32 bit and
will
> >> not work. Which means SIM cards that I used to use from abroad that
worked
> >> in my NEC won't work in the 2125.
> >>
> >> So here is my question: does anyone know if you can buy 64 bit SIM
cards
> >> outside of the US in any of the following places: Philippines,
Jamaica,
> >> Panama.
> >>
> >> Thanks!
> >>
> >
> >
> >Well I thought I would post what I found out from some unlocking
services:
> >
> >1) The Cingular 2125 can be unlocked, there are a few services that say
> >they
> >
> >2) They say it will run a 32 bit SIM card, they are supposed to be
backwards
> >compatible, but, it will not have as much memory and certain
> >applications will not work. As such, the expectation is that unlocked 64
bit
> >phones should be able to run 32 bit SIMs from other countries at least
for
> >making phone calls.
>
>
> Do you really mean 32K and 64K? That refers to size in kilobytes, not
bits.
>

I stand corrected


> --
> Best regards, SEE THE FAQ FOR CINGULAR WIRELESS AT
> John Navas <http://en.wikibooks.org/wiki/Cingular_Wireless_FAQ>

"Frank Thomas" <nospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:YLa9g.28$v94.142476@news.sisna.com...

: > >> I was going to buy an unlocked Cingular 2125 phone, so I could use my
: old
: > >> NEC 415 Sim card in locally and when I travel to the Philippines or

: > Do you really mean 32K and 64K? That refers to size in kilobytes, not
: bits.
: >
:
: I stand corrected
:

I purchased a 128K SIM from Globe in the Philippines last May for my Nokia 6630.

Armin

In article <KnM9g.368$z97.17721@news20.bellglobal.com>,
Armin Schumann <armin@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>"Frank Thomas" <nospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>news:YLa9g.28$v94.142476@news.sisna.com...
>
>: > >> I was going to buy an unlocked Cingular 2125 phone, so I could use my
>: old
>: > >> NEC 415 Sim card in locally and when I travel to the Philippines or
>
>: > Do you really mean 32K and 64K? That refers to size in kilobytes, not
>: bits.
>: >
>:
>: I stand corrected
>:
>
>I purchased a 128K SIM from Globe in the Philippines last May for my Nokia 6630.

There are lots of truly ancient GSM phones in daily use in the Philippines; if
Globe or Smart ended up shutting them out by making incompatible SIM cards
there would be big trouble. The added membet just gives for a larger phone
book and space for SIM applicaions like banking, shopping, etc. I would not
expect any problem with one of these SIM cards in almost any phone they
fit into.

On Fri, 19 May 2006 13:00:17 +0000 (UTC), retsuhcs@xinap.moc (Mike S.)
wrote:

>
>In article <KnM9g.368$z97.17721@news20.bellglobal.com>,
>Armin Schumann <armin@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>>
>>"Frank Thomas" <nospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>>news:YLa9g.28$v94.142476@news.sisna.com...
>>
>>: > >> I was going to buy an unlocked Cingular 2125 phone, so I could use my
>>: old
>>: > >> NEC 415 Sim card in locally and when I travel to the Philippines or
>>
>>: > Do you really mean 32K and 64K? That refers to size in kilobytes, not
>>: bits.
>>: >
>>:
>>: I stand corrected
>>:
>>
>>I purchased a 128K SIM from Globe in the Philippines last May for my Nokia 6630.
>
>There are lots of truly ancient GSM phones in daily use in the Philippines; if
>Globe or Smart ended up shutting them out by making incompatible SIM cards
>there would be big trouble. The added membet just gives for a larger phone
>book and space for SIM applicaions like banking, shopping, etc. I would not
>expect any problem with one of these SIM cards in almost any phone they
>fit into.

Isn't the Cingular 2125 a 3G phone? Will a normal GSM SIM card work in
a 3G phone, or is a new type of SIM needed?

This could be the root of his problems, and we're just confusing the
issue by talking about memory capacity of the SIM.

Chris

"Mike S." <retsuhcs@xinap.moc> wrote in message
news:e4kfh1$k7b$1@reader1.panix.com...
>
> In article <KnM9g.368$z97.17721@news20.bellglobal.com>,
> Armin Schumann <armin@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> >
> >"Frank Thomas" <nospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >news:YLa9g.28$v94.142476@news.sisna.com...
> >
> >: > >> I was going to buy an unlocked Cingular 2125 phone, so I could use
my
> >: old
> >: > >> NEC 415 Sim card in locally and when I travel to the Philippines
or
> >
> >: > Do you really mean 32K and 64K? That refers to size in kilobytes,
not
> >: bits.
> >: >
> >:
> >: I stand corrected
> >:
> >
> >I purchased a 128K SIM from Globe in the Philippines last May for my
Nokia 6630.
>
> There are lots of truly ancient GSM phones in daily use in the
Philippines; if
> Globe or Smart ended up shutting them out by making incompatible SIM cards
> there would be big trouble. The added membet just gives for a larger phone
> book and space for SIM applicaions like banking, shopping, etc. I would
not
> expect any problem with one of these SIM cards in almost any phone they
> fit into.
>
Some of the older SIMs don't work well in the newer phones. I brought a few
T-Mobile 6600s to the Philippines last year. Sold one to my wife's cousin
who had this old Globe SIM. Though the phone unlocked with no hitches, it
did not like his SIM. It worked with Smart and Globe 64k and 128k SIMs with
no problems. His old phone was an old 5300, go figure!

I learned my lesson buying Cingular GSM phones, that are supposedly Tri or
Quad band phones. Most of them are built to Cingular specs and they are
pretty much 850/1900Mhz only. The only way to know for sure is to try the
phone out of the country. T-Mobile on the other hand are pretty generic as
they come and are more compatible worldwide.

"Chris Blunt" <chris_blunt@spamfence.net> wrote in message
news:7bet621mgidtgf287j5o7mhe3eic8hv9iv@4ax.com...
> On Fri, 19 May 2006 13:00:17 +0000 (UTC), retsuhcs@xinap.moc (Mike S.)
> wrote:
>
> >
> >In article <KnM9g.368$z97.17721@news20.bellglobal.com>,
> >Armin Schumann <armin@sympatico.ca> wrote:
> >>
> >>"Frank Thomas" <nospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
> >>news:YLa9g.28$v94.142476@news.sisna.com...
> >>
> >>: > >> I was going to buy an unlocked Cingular 2125 phone, so I could
use my
> >>: old
> >>: > >> NEC 415 Sim card in locally and when I travel to the Philippines
or
> >>
> >>: > Do you really mean 32K and 64K? That refers to size in kilobytes,
not
> >>: bits.
> >>: >
> >>:
> >>: I stand corrected
> >>:
> >>
> >>I purchased a 128K SIM from Globe in the Philippines last May for my
Nokia 6630.
> >
> >There are lots of truly ancient GSM phones in daily use in the
Philippines; if
> >Globe or Smart ended up shutting them out by making incompatible SIM
cards
> >there would be big trouble. The added membet just gives for a larger
phone
> >book and space for SIM applicaions like banking, shopping, etc. I would
not
> >expect any problem with one of these SIM cards in almost any phone they
> >fit into.
>
> Isn't the Cingular 2125 a 3G phone? Will a normal GSM SIM card work in
> a 3G phone, or is a new type of SIM needed?
>
> This could be the root of his problems, and we're just confusing the
> issue by talking about memory capacity of the SIM.
>
Typically the new phones work better with high capacity SIMs. The higher
capacity SIMs usually have more features built in features to support the
new technology in the phones. At least that was what I was told when I
upgraded to my current V3 RAZR. I had an original PacBell GSM SIM, I got 10
years ago, and was told it would not work well in the new phones due to it's
memory capacity. Good thing I had a new 64K SIM I got from another phone or
else I would have been charged for a new SIM. I wish they had 128k SIMs
here in the States.

In article <QPzcg.8630$kR6.3000@trnddc05>,
Joseph Wind <jw@neoplastic.ph.invalid> wrote:
>
>"Mike S." <retsuhcs@xinap.moc> wrote in message
>news:e4kfh1$k7b$1@reader1.panix.com...
>>
>> In article <KnM9g.368$z97.17721@news20.bellglobal.com>,
>> Armin Schumann <armin@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>> >
>> >"Frank Thomas" <nospam@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>> >news:YLa9g.28$v94.142476@news.sisna.com...
>> >
>> >: > >> I was going to buy an unlocked Cingular 2125 phone, so I could use
>my
>> >: old
>> >: > >> NEC 415 Sim card in locally and when I travel to the Philippines
>or
>> >
>> >: > Do you really mean 32K and 64K? That refers to size in kilobytes,
>not
>> >: bits.
>> >: >
>> >:
>> >: I stand corrected
>> >:
>> >
>> >I purchased a 128K SIM from Globe in the Philippines last May for my
>Nokia 6630.
>>
>> There are lots of truly ancient GSM phones in daily use in the
>Philippines; if
>> Globe or Smart ended up shutting them out by making incompatible SIM cards
>> there would be big trouble. The added membet just gives for a larger phone
>> book and space for SIM applicaions like banking, shopping, etc. I would
>not
>> expect any problem with one of these SIM cards in almost any phone they
>> fit into.
>>
>Some of the older SIMs don't work well in the newer phones. I brought a few
>T-Mobile 6600s to the Philippines last year. Sold one to my wife's cousin
>who had this old Globe SIM. Though the phone unlocked with no hitches, it
>did not like his SIM. It worked with Smart and Globe 64k and 128k SIMs with
>no problems. His old phone was an old 5300, go figure!
>
>I learned my lesson buying Cingular GSM phones, that are supposedly Tri or
>Quad band phones. Most of them are built to Cingular specs and they are
>pretty much 850/1900Mhz only. The only way to know for sure is to try the
>phone out of the country. T-Mobile on the other hand are pretty generic as
>they come and are more compatible worldwide.

For years T-Mobile has been disabling the GSM 850 band to prevent
unexpected roaming. As they activate more roaming agreements this is no
longer the case. However, other customizations (like disabling the web
sessions setup menu on Motorola phones - remediable with a seem edit)
still persist. To say that T-Mobile phones are "pretty generic" is
overstating the case considerably.