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Joseph wrote:

> google groups and beta-google groups are different.

And most people probably don't realize that...

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"Joseph" <JoeOfSeattle@yahoo.com> wrote in message news:ekj2c119e6a52lrrkk6ipcfrjpok9q8240@4ax.com...
> On Tue, 28 Jun 2005 00:07:14 -0700, Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net>
> wrote:
>
> >Joseph wrote:
> >
> >> google groups and beta-google groups are different.
> >
> >And most people probably don't realize that...
>
> And you know this because... ?
> - -
>



He knows most people.

Hugh Jass wrote:

>>>>google groups and beta-google groups are different.
>>>
>>>And most people probably don't realize that...
>>
>>And you know this because... ?
>
> He knows most people.

I said *probably.*

I've worked for ISPs before. Many people (including many of my former
customers) would scratch their head in confusion if you said "usenet" or
"newsgroups" - it's not like 10-15 years ago. Usenet just isn't as big a
communications medium as it used to be, and a lot of people don't have a
clue that it exists, let alone what it is.

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I can't believe so many people (including me, now, I guess) have spent time
talking about the distinction between a Google discussion group (beta or
otherwise) and a Usenet group.

With all the upheaval because caused by the Rogers-Fido integration, aren't
there more important issues to GSM subscribers in Canada?

> From: Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net>
> Organization: Glorb Internet Services, http://www.glorb.com
> Newsgroups:
> alt.cellular.rogersatt,alt.cellular.fido,alt.cellu lar.gsm,alt.cellular.nokia,a
> lt.cellular.motorola,alt.cellular.sonyericsson,alt .cellular,alt.cellular.erics
> son,alt.cellular.data,alt.cellular.bluetooth
> Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 10:24:25 -0700
> Subject: Re: Join the Rogers-Fido news group!
>
> Hugh Jass wrote:
>
>>>>> google groups and beta-google groups are different.
>>>>
>>>> And most people probably don't realize that...
>>>
>>> And you know this because... ?
>>
>> He knows most people.
>
> I said *probably.*
>
> I've worked for ISPs before. Many people (including many of my former
> customers) would scratch their head in confusion if you said "usenet" or
> "newsgroups" - it's not like 10-15 years ago. Usenet just isn't as big a
> communications medium as it used to be, and a lot of people don't have a
> clue that it exists, let alone what it is.
>
> --
> JustThe.net - Steve Sobol / sjsobol@JustThe.net / PGP: 0xE3AE35ED
> Coming to you from Southern California's High Desert, where the
> temperatures are as high as the gas prices! / 888.480.4NET (4638)
>
> "Life's like an hourglass glued to the table" --Anna Nalick, "Breathe"

I think most people have resigned themselves to the fact that either
Fido has gotten so bad that they're quitting as soon as it's convenient
for them to do so (I already have) or that Rogers will effectively kill
it off, meaning it's time to start shopping for another deal. It's a
shame that there isn't another GSM service provider in Canada (yet there
are two CDMA). Good work, fuckheads at CRTC and the Competition Bureau
(I actually know a guy who works there - the description fits). So the
only thing left to argue about is how much worse it can get or just
trivial shit like the distinction between a newsgroup and a bulletin board.



johnwolmer@hotmail.com wrote:
> I can't believe so many people (including me, now, I guess) have spent time
> talking about the distinction between a Google discussion group (beta or
> otherwise) and a Usenet group.
>
> With all the upheaval because caused by the Rogers-Fido integration, aren't
> there more important issues to GSM subscribers in Canada?
>
>
>>From: Steve Sobol <sjsobol@JustThe.net>
>>Organization: Glorb Internet Services, http://www.glorb.com
>>Newsgroups:
>>alt.cellular.rogersatt,alt.cellular.fido,alt.cel lular.gsm,alt.cellular.nokia,a
>>lt.cellular.motorola,alt.cellular.sonyericsson,a lt.cellular,alt.cellular.erics
>>son,alt.cellular.data,alt.cellular.bluetooth
>>Date: Sun, 03 Jul 2005 10:24:25 -0700
>>Subject: Re: Join the Rogers-Fido news group!
>>
>>Hugh Jass wrote:
>>
>>
>>>>>>google groups and beta-google groups are different.
>>>>>
>>>>>And most people probably don't realize that...
>>>>
>>>>And you know this because... ?
>>>
>>>He knows most people.
>>
>>I said *probably.*
>>
>>I've worked for ISPs before. Many people (including many of my former
>>customers) would scratch their head in confusion if you said "usenet" or
>>"newsgroups" - it's not like 10-15 years ago. Usenet just isn't as big a
>>communications medium as it used to be, and a lot of people don't have a
>>clue that it exists, let alone what it is.
>>
>>--
>>JustThe.net - Steve Sobol / sjsobol@JustThe.net / PGP: 0xE3AE35ED
>>Coming to you from Southern California's High Desert, where the
>>temperatures are as high as the gas prices! / 888.480.4NET (4638)
>>
>>"Life's like an hourglass glued to the table" --Anna Nalick, "Breathe"
>
>

"sbdot" <sbdot@mailandnews.com> wrote in message
news:jvadnc33fLpEjVbfRVn-sg@rogers.com...

> it off, meaning it's time to start shopping for another deal. It's a
> shame that there isn't another GSM service provider in Canada (yet there
> are two CDMA). Good work, fuckheads at CRTC and the Competition Bureau

What I don't get is why they didn't just mandate GSM the way the EU and the
Australian government did years ago. It's not like most people even know or
care that there are several different mobile phone technologies out there.
The IS-95 vs. GSM distinction doesn't really make a competative advantage,
except for people who travel overseas a lot, so mandating that all providers
use GSM would still allow companies to offer differing, competitive plans to
attract customers.

Then there's the whole 1900 MHz vs. 900/1800 MHz idiocy, but that's an
entirely different can of worms.

Paul Fedorenko wrote:
> What I don't get is why they didn't just mandate GSM the way the EU and the
> Australian government did years ago.


It is called Qualcomm making donations to USA political parties to give its
proprietary technology a chance against an established world standard.

Interesting how the USA government had no problem setting a standard for HDTV,
but for telephony, it said it wasn't its business to dictate standards to
private enterprise :-) :-) :-) :-)

When you consider that almost all the old TDMA networks migrated to GSM
(including Rogers), it has given GSM a dominant position in north america.

The sad thing is Virgin mobile going for CDMA instead of GSM. (but there is a
story to that: Sprint is the only major mobile network in the USA that is
opened to reselling bandwidth, so Virgin had little choice in whcih network it
could use to launch its services).

The big question is how different the landscape would be today if Clearnet had
chosen GSM instead of delaying its launch so it could go CDMA. I wonder if
Telus would have bought it, or if it woudl have merged with Microcell, making
a surtainable network to rival the Rogers/Bell/Telus monopolies.

On Thu, 28 Jul 2005 02:49:38 -0400, "Paul Fedorenko"
<pfedorenko@look.ca> wrote:

>"sbdot" <sbdot@mailandnews.com> wrote in message
>news:jvadnc33fLpEjVbfRVn-sg@rogers.com...
>
>> it off, meaning it's time to start shopping for another deal. It's a
>> shame that there isn't another GSM service provider in Canada (yet there
>> are two CDMA). Good work, fuckheads at CRTC and the Competition Bureau
>
>What I don't get is why they didn't just mandate GSM the way the EU and the
>Australian government did years ago.
Easier said than done. Government in North America in part came into
existence because they wished to get away from the 'mandates' they had
from the other side of the North Atlantic. It is call the difference
between a managed and a free economy. and while I wouldn't say the US
or Canadian economies are completely free, they are far less regulated
than the EU economies. Different ethnic and cultural traditions!

> It's not like most people even know or
>care that there are several different mobile phone technologies out there.
>The IS-95 vs. GSM distinction doesn't really make a competative advantage,
>except for people who travel overseas a lot, so mandating that all providers
>use GSM would still allow companies to offer differing, competitive plans to
>attract customers.
There are some technical advantage that each has versus the other, and
depending upon your value system, one may be advantageous. If you are
standing on the street, the only way you are going to drop a GSM call
is if the network goes down, or you phone battery goes dead. On a CDMA
network, if the network overloads, it doesn't simply stop accepting
new calls, it starts dropping existing calls as the link margins get
too low because of the total power in the channel, or the call quality
goes to Hell because the EVRC encoder has to drop to very low rate to
keep the connection. CMDA has soft handoffs, if the next cell is
overload, you don't absolutely have to be handed off, in GSM you may
have to be, because you might for example have run out of timing
advance.....
>
>Then there's the whole 1900 MHz vs. 900/1800 MHz idiocy, but that's an
>entirely different can of worms.
>