Tri-band phones seeing different networks

Posted: 06-01-2005, 09:48 PM
Hi - I hope someone here can help.

I'm currently living in Southern California and at present have three
phones. All are tri-band 900,1800,1900 handsets.

One is a US T-Mobile (locked) Motorolla V180 supplied by my employer.
It reports available networks as T-Mobile and AT&T.

The second is a UK Orange (unlocked) SPV C500. It reports available
networks as Cingular and AT&T.

The third is a UK Orange (locked) Panasonic X70. It also reports the
available networks as Cingular and AT&T.

I'd like to use the T-Mobile sim in my C500, however when I do this it
works, but only by roaming on AT&T or Cingular.

Can anyone explain to me why 3 phones operating on the same bands pick
up different networks. Am I missing something obvious? Is there
anything I can do to get the C500 to pick up T-Mobile? Interestingly,
when I travel to the US East Coast (DC area), the C500 picks up
T-Mobile no problems.

TIA,
Graeme.

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danny burstein
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Re: Tri-band phones seeing different networks
Posted: 06-01-2005, 10:01 PM
In <1117658920.837279.92170@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups. com> "grum" <graeme@templelocks.net> writes:

>One is a US T-Mobile (locked) Motorolla V180 supplied by my employer.
>It reports available networks as T-Mobile and AT&T.


>The second is a UK Orange (unlocked) SPV C500. It reports available
>networks as Cingular and AT&T.


I think the following should explain it. But if
I'm wrong, I'm sure plenty of people will correct me.

About five years ago Cingular had a physical network presence
in California, and t_mobile had theirs in NY. The two companies
made a handshake to allow each others customers to invisibly
cross-roam when in teh other's area.

In other words, if you were a cingular customer in NYC you'd
be on t-mobile (and vice versa).

The base station in NYC, though, would be putting out
a numerical ID that's associated with t-mobile.

So... if you had a multi band international phone you'd
either see the numerical ID or you'd see "t--mobile", depending
on whether the SIM "knew" the translation.

But... if you purchased a Cingular phone in the NYC
area, it would show "cingular", even though it was
using the t-mobile towers.

Same thing, in reverse, for California. A multi band
international phone over there would either give the
numerical ID or the Cingular name.

This would even be the case, *sometimes*, if you had
a t-mobile phone in Calif.

If the phone was specifically marketed by t-mobile in
California, they'd have programmed the SIM to translate
that Cingular ID number into the name "t-mobile".

But.... other phones wouldn't have that, so they'd
still show Cingular.

Now you've got a t-mobile branded and California
marketed phone, so it's seeing the (cingular) base
ID and is displaying it as t-mobile. The other phones
show the, for want of a better term, cleaner interpretation.

NOTE that this handshake arrangement is being phased
as each company builds out its own network, but
O don't know thje schedule.
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Re: Tri-band phones seeing different networks
Posted: 06-02-2005, 08:24 AM
Hi Danny,

Your reply kind of makes sense. However, the functionality to hide the
fact that the phone is roaming would have to be built into the handset
rather than the sim,otherwise when I put the T-Mobile sim into my
unlocked UK handset, it would report finding T-Mobile and AT&T rather
than Cingular and AT&T.

In any event, the proof will be when I see the bill and see if I'm
being charged at roaming rates by T-Mobile.

Thanks for the info,
Grum.

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Re: Tri-band phones seeing different networks
Posted: 06-05-2005, 04:58 AM


On 1 Jun 2005, at 13:48:40 [GMT -0700] (06:48:40 Thursday, 2 June 2005 where
I live) "grum" wrote:

> Can anyone explain to me why 3 phones operating on the same bands pick
> up different networks. Am I missing something obvious?


The SIM card controls this; also the internal phone locking, if any.

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Re: Tri-band phones seeing different networks
Posted: 06-19-2005, 02:45 PM

John Phillips Wrote:
> On 1 Jun 2005, at 13:48:40 [GMT -0700] (06:48:40 Thursday, 2 June 200
> where
> I live) "grum" wrote:
> -
> Can anyone explain to me why 3 phones operating on the same band
> pick
> up different networks. Am I missing something obvious?-
>
> The SIM card controls this; also the internal phone locking, if any.
>
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> hAS ANYONE SEEN MY cAPSLOCK KEY?


Yes, I agree. The phone may be telling porkies as some of the networ
info may be flashed into the phone e.g. an old phone displays B
Cellnet instead of O2. The other thing might be sensitivity of th
phone receiver to some frequencies (especially if you're at the edge o
a phone cell) and not others.
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