Re: Cell Phone Encryption/Security in The USA

Posted: 07-10-2003, 04:57 PM
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In <bbft4u$67s@qualcomm.com>, ggr@qualcomm.com (Gregory G Rose) wrote:

>(snipped fairly heavily)
>
>In article <fdbae11.0306012050.fbd4fca@posting.google.com>,
>Roger Fleming <roger_for_nntp@hotmail.com> wrote:


>Plug: There's a paper accepted for Crypto 2003 (of
>which I'm the general chair this year):
> - Instant Ciphertext-Only Cryptanalysis of GSM Encrypted Communication
> Elad Barkan (Technion),
> Eli Biham (Technion),
> Nathan Keller (Technion)
>See http://www.iacr.org/conferences/crypto2003/content.html
>for more program details.
>... end Plug.



See <http://www.everything2.com/index.pl?node=GSM>:

A5 is the family of ciphers used for ensuring privacy between the
base station and the mobile. There is generally no security from the
base station to the rest of the phone network. This is where law
enforcement taps take place. End-to-end privacy (encryption between
one phone and another) was not implemented at the system level.

There are two versions of the A5 cipher. When the GSM standard was
being created, there were worries from law enforcement and national
security interests that the encryption would be too strong. Countries
such as France wanted a weak cipher that was easy to break; countries
with strong privacy laws such as Germany wanted a strong cipher that
was difficult to break. NATO was worried about countries like Iraq
gaining access to strong cryptography.

The end result was that two versions were created: A5/1 and A5/2.
A5/1 was the full version, and was used within Europe and the USA.
A5/2 was export strength - i.e. it was a weak cipher. There was a
minor scuffle when it was discovered that Australia had been sold
A5/2.

On April 10, 2000, Alex Biryukov, Adi Shamir, and David Wagner
published a paper entitled "Real Time Cryptanalysis of A5/1 on a PC".
In it, they detailed weaknesses in the algorithm and in it's
implementation that allowed the retrieval of a key for an
A5/1-encrypted conversation within one second, using a normal
personal computer. A5/1 has been exposed as being totally pathetic.

Furthermore, it was revealed that the cipher was fairly simple - it
only used three linear feedback shift registers (basic cipher
components), and the last ten bits of the key were always zero.

The inescapable conclusion was that all versions of A5 - including
A5/1 - had been deliberately weakened.


See also "GSM Interception"
<http://www.dia.unisa.it/ads.dir/corso-security/www/CORSO-9900/a5/Netsec/netsec.html>
(or <http://makeashorterlink.com/?O26B12835>). Abstract:

The GSM standard was designed to be a secure mobile phone system with
strong subscriber authentication and over-the-air transmission
encryption. The security model and algorithms were developed in
secrecy and were never published. Eventually some of the algorithms
and specifications have leaked out. The algorithms have been studied
since and critical errors have been found. Thus, after a closer look
at the GSM standard, one can see that the security model is not all
that good. An attacker can go through the security model or even
around it, and attack other parts of a GSM network, instead of the
actual phone call. Although the GSM standard was supposed to prevent
phone cloning and over-the-air eavesdropping, both of these are
possible with little additional work compared to the analog mobile
phone systems and can be implemented through various attacks. One
should not send anything confidential over a GSM network without
additional encryption if the data is supposed to stay confidential.

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Mok-Kong Shen
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Re: Cell Phone Encryption/Security in The USA
Posted: 07-10-2003, 05:45 PM


John Navas wrote:
>

[snip]
> ..... There is generally no security from the
> base station to the rest of the phone network. This
> is where law enforcement taps take place. ......

[snip]

A chain is as strong as its weakest link. So the
security is zero. Further, cell phone enables tracking
of the person carrying it (even when it's switched off,
unless with the battery removed, as someone claimed in
sci.crypt previously).

M. K. Shen
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Re: Cell Phone Encryption/Security in The USA
Posted: 07-10-2003, 08:03 PM
Very interesting! :>

That is the first time I have heard this.

But I knew from my own experiments that a cellphone transmits a burst within
a second or two *after* it is switched off, so that proves at least the
transmitter is still powered up.

These Cellphones are sneaky little devices aren't they!



"Mok-Kong Shen" <mok-kong.shen@t-online.de> wrote in message
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>
> A chain is as strong as its weakest link. So the
> security is zero. Further, cell phone enables tracking
> of the person carrying it (even when it's switched off,
> unless with the battery removed, as someone claimed in
> sci.crypt previously).
>
> M. K. Shen



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Re: Cell Phone Encryption/Security in The USA
Posted: 07-10-2003, 09:29 PM


John Navas wrote:
>


> >"Mok-Kong Shen" <mok-kong.shen@t-online.de> wrote:


> >>
> >> A chain is as strong as its weakest link. So the
> >> security is zero.

>
> It's certainly not very good, but I wouldn't say it's zero.


If you think that the normal telephone network is
safe for you, then yes. Otherwise .....

>
> >> Further, cell phone enables tracking
> >> of the person carrying it

>
> True, *if* it's turned on.
>
> >> (even when it's switched off,
> >> unless with the battery removed, as someone claimed in
> >> sci.crypt previously).

>
> Not true. Urban myth. Internet paranoia.


That was at least what was claimed by someone in sci.crypt
quite a time ago (saying though that that applies to the
more modern cell phones) without being refuted and I have
read also a German newspaper reviewing a security specialist
who recommended removing the battery.

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Re: Cell Phone Encryption/Security in The USA
Posted: 07-10-2003, 09:36 PM
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In <3F0DCCA3.4D30270D@t-online.de> on Thu, 10 Jul 2003 22:29:23 +0200,
Mok-Kong Shen <mok-kong.shen@t-online.de> wrote:

>John Navas wrote:
>
>> >"Mok-Kong Shen" <mok-kong.shen@t-online.de> wrote:

>
>> >> A chain is as strong as its weakest link. So the
>> >> security is zero.

>>
>> It's certainly not very good, but I wouldn't say it's zero.

>
>If you think that the normal telephone network is
>safe for you, ...


Safe enough for normal use.

>> >> Further, cell phone enables tracking
>> >> of the person carrying it

>>
>> True, *if* it's turned on.
>>
>> >> (even when it's switched off,
>> >> unless with the battery removed, as someone claimed in
>> >> sci.crypt previously).

>>
>> Not true. Urban myth. Internet paranoia.

>
>That was at least what was claimed by someone in sci.crypt
>quite a time ago (saying though that that applies to the
>more modern cell phones) without being refuted and I have
>read also a German newspaper reviewing a security specialist
>who recommended removing the battery.


Repeat: Not true. Urban myth. Internet paranoia.

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Re: Cell Phone Encryption/Security in The USA
Posted: 07-10-2003, 10:17 PM
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In <3F0DD2C0.6830CCC4@t-online.de> on Thu, 10 Jul 2003 22:55:28 +0200,
Mok-Kong Shen <mok-kong.shen@t-online.de> wrote:

>John Navas wrote:


>> Safe enough for normal use.

>
>If you mean that for 'security', then I have no comment.


I'm not worried that someone will go to all that trouble and expense just to
listen in when I chat with my daughter.

As for sensitive conversations, I *never* use *any* sort of wireless phone for
that.

>> Repeat: Not true. Urban myth. Internet paranoia.

>
>I acknowledge your repetition. But I am not convinced
>nonetheless.


Suit yourself.

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Re: Cell Phone Encryption/Security in The USA
Posted: 07-10-2003, 10:25 PM


John Navas wrote:
>


> Mok-Kong Shen <mok-kong.shen@t-online.de> wrote:
>
> >John Navas wrote:

>
> >> Safe enough for normal use.

> >
> >If you mean that for 'security', then I have no comment.

>
> I'm not worried that someone will go to all that trouble and expense just to
> listen in when I chat with my daughter.
>
> As for sensitive conversations, I *never* use *any* sort of wireless phone for
> that.


So why do you care about the security of cell phones
in the first place?

M. K. Shen
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Re: Cell Phone Encryption/Security in The USA
Posted: 07-10-2003, 11:10 PM
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In <3F0DD9C5.9434B75B@t-online.de> on Thu, 10 Jul 2003 23:25:25 +0200,
Mok-Kong Shen <mok-kong.shen@t-online.de> wrote:

>John Navas wrote:


>> I'm not worried that someone will go to all that trouble and expense just to
>> listen in when I chat with my daughter.
>>
>> As for sensitive conversations, I *never* use *any* sort of wireless phone for
>> that.

>
>So why do you care about the security of cell phones
>in the first place?


It keeps out most snoops.

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Re: Cell Phone Encryption/Security in The USA
Posted: 07-10-2003, 11:16 PM
John Navas wrote:
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> In <3F0DD9C5.9434B75B@t-online.de> on Thu, 10 Jul 2003 23:25:25 +0200,
> Mok-Kong Shen <mok-kong.shen@t-online.de> wrote:
>
>
>>John Navas wrote:

>
>
>>>I'm not worried that someone will go to all that trouble and expense just to
>>>listen in when I chat with my daughter.
>>>
>>>As for sensitive conversations, I *never* use *any* sort of wireless phone for
>>>that.

>>
>>So why do you care about the security of cell phones
>>in the first place?

>
>
> It keeps out most snoops.


More important than the voice portion are the control channels. I
personally don't care if people hear what I say. But when calls start
going to Austria or something I'll ask questions.

Tom

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Re: Cell Phone Encryption/Security in The USA
Posted: 07-11-2003, 01:22 AM

"Josh III" <lipizzan@Xhotmail.com> wrote in message
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> Very interesting! :>
>
> That is the first time I have heard this.
>
> But I knew from my own experiments that a cellphone transmits a burst

within
> a second or two *after* it is switched off, so that proves at least the
> transmitter is still powered up.
>
> These Cellphones are sneaky little devices aren't they!
>

Do not worry about the final transmission. That is
probably just the phone telling the network goodbye
and requesting the activation of any preset diversion.

Andrew Swallow

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