Windows XP

Go to the www.windowscatalog.com and enter Bluetooth in the search.

The TDK USB device is listed and WHQL approved.

Sinclair
TDK Systems

"Mauricio Freitas" <dr.emailposter@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
news:bnshle$oks$1@si05.rsvl.unisys.com...
> Natively? None.
>
> With Windows XP SP1? Only Microsoft's one, but only HID and DUN profiles
> supported. Rumours are that Windows XP SP2 will add more profiles. But
> there's no date for this yet.
>
> All Bluetooth dongle with Widcomm software will work on Windows XP though.
>
>
> --
> Mauricio Freitas
> mobility, wireless, handhelds: http://www.geekzone.co.nz
>
>
> "Matt Packwood" <MattPackwood@cs.com> wrote in message
> news:bns7fh$cqc$1@ngspool-d02.news.aol.com...
> > Anyone know what hardware is supported natively by Windows XP?
> >
> > Mat
> >
> >
>
>

I think the original poster asked "natively" meaning like the Mac OS X: plug
the dongle it works, without any installs... That's why I said none.

Certified? Yes, there are some, including the TDK.

--
Mauricio Freitas
Handhelds, mobile: http://www.geekzone.co.nz
Bluetooth guides: http://www.geekzone.co.nz/content.asp?contentid=449


"TDK Systems" <support@tdksystems.com> wrote in message
news:3fa2773d$0$3459$afc38c87@news.easynet.co.uk.. .
> Go to the www.windowscatalog.com and enter Bluetooth in the search.
>
> The TDK USB device is listed and WHQL approved.
>
> Sinclair
> TDK Systems
>
> "Mauricio Freitas" <dr.emailposter@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
> news:bnshle$oks$1@si05.rsvl.unisys.com...
> > Natively? None.
> >
> > With Windows XP SP1? Only Microsoft's one, but only HID and DUN profiles
> > supported. Rumours are that Windows XP SP2 will add more profiles. But
> > there's no date for this yet.
> >
> > All Bluetooth dongle with Widcomm software will work on Windows XP
though.
> >
> >
> > --
> > Mauricio Freitas
> > mobility, wireless, handhelds: http://www.geekzone.co.nz
> >
> >
> > "Matt Packwood" <MattPackwood@cs.com> wrote in message
> > news:bns7fh$cqc$1@ngspool-d02.news.aol.com...
> > > Anyone know what hardware is supported natively by Windows XP?
> > >
> > > Mat
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Well my boss bought a Sony Vaio Centrino Laptop, with Bluetooth built
in. It had the Microsoft Bluetooth Stack preinstalled on it. It also had
another small system tray app for supporting a couple more profiles.
Both programs could access the bluetooth device at the same time, its
possible the tray app was written using the MS bluetooth APIs

Hopefully there will be more native bluetooth stuff in XP SP2. The
service pack has been delayed due to the new security features they have
added, some at the kernel level, that could break existing apps.

Going forward into Longhorn I expect to see native PIM synchronisation
using the WinFS store of contacts and calender events. There is a gui
synchronisation manager built into the shell. It should mean it is no
longer dependant on Outlook to function. I hope they do proper bluetooth
profile synch rather than just supporting ActiveSynch to MS Powered
mobile phones.

Mauricio Freitas wrote:

> I think the original poster asked "natively" meaning like the Mac OS X: plug
> the dongle it works, without any installs... That's why I said none.
>
> Certified? Yes, there are some, including the TDK.
>

Pre-installed, but not native... The only OS with this is currently the Mac
OS X 10.2 and up...

I aghree about synchronisation... Native support for Bluetooth sync would be
way to go - allowing sync to every device, not only MS Windows Mobile.

--
Mauricio Freitas
Handhelds, mobile: http://www.geekzone.co.nz
Bluetooth guides: http://www.geekzone.co.nz/content.asp?contentid=449


"Edward" <eddwo@nospam.hotpop.com> wrote in message
news:bnunsm$mv3$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
> Well my boss bought a Sony Vaio Centrino Laptop, with Bluetooth built
> in. It had the Microsoft Bluetooth Stack preinstalled on it. It also had
> another small system tray app for supporting a couple more profiles.
> Both programs could access the bluetooth device at the same time, its
> possible the tray app was written using the MS bluetooth APIs
>
> Hopefully there will be more native bluetooth stuff in XP SP2. The
> service pack has been delayed due to the new security features they have
> added, some at the kernel level, that could break existing apps.
>
> Going forward into Longhorn I expect to see native PIM synchronisation
> using the WinFS store of contacts and calender events. There is a gui
> synchronisation manager built into the shell. It should mean it is no
> longer dependant on Outlook to function. I hope they do proper bluetooth
> profile synch rather than just supporting ActiveSynch to MS Powered
> mobile phones.
>
> Mauricio Freitas wrote:
>
> > I think the original poster asked "natively" meaning like the Mac OS X:
plug
> > the dongle it works, without any installs... That's why I said none.
> >
> > Certified? Yes, there are some, including the TDK.
> >
>

I don't see the distinction. It is native, it is part of the API for the OS
as supplied by the OS manufacturer. Its present in the SDK.
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/de..._functions.asp
What makes the MS APIs less native than the Apple ones?

After XP SP2 I expect all XP machines will have these APIs built in, at the
moment you can only get them if you have a bluetooth device to use them
with.
Bluetooth is native in Windows CE.NET 4.2, same will be true of XP SP2.


"Mauricio Freitas" <dr.emailposter@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
newsoCob.4314$ws.412316@news02.tsnz.net...
> Pre-installed, but not native... The only OS with this is currently the
Mac
> OS X 10.2 and up...
>
> I aghree about synchronisation... Native support for Bluetooth sync would
be
> way to go - allowing sync to every device, not only MS Windows Mobile.
>
> --
> Mauricio Freitas
> Handhelds, mobile: http://www.geekzone.co.nz
> Bluetooth guides: http://www.geekzone.co.nz/content.asp?contentid=449
>
>
> "Edward" <eddwo@nospam.hotpop.com> wrote in message
> news:bnunsm$mv3$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > Well my boss bought a Sony Vaio Centrino Laptop, with Bluetooth built
> > in. It had the Microsoft Bluetooth Stack preinstalled on it. It also had
> > another small system tray app for supporting a couple more profiles.
> > Both programs could access the bluetooth device at the same time, its
> > possible the tray app was written using the MS bluetooth APIs
> >
> > Hopefully there will be more native bluetooth stuff in XP SP2. The
> > service pack has been delayed due to the new security features they have
> > added, some at the kernel level, that could break existing apps.
> >
> > Going forward into Longhorn I expect to see native PIM synchronisation
> > using the WinFS store of contacts and calender events. There is a gui
> > synchronisation manager built into the shell. It should mean it is no
> > longer dependant on Outlook to function. I hope they do proper bluetooth
> > profile synch rather than just supporting ActiveSynch to MS Powered
> > mobile phones.
> >
> > Mauricio Freitas wrote:
> >
> > > I think the original poster asked "natively" meaning like the Mac OS
X:
> plug
> > > the dongle it works, without any installs... That's why I said none.
> > >
> > > Certified? Yes, there are some, including the TDK.
> > >
> >
>
>

Well I am confused. While the APIs seem to be there with SP1 there doesn't
seem to be anyway to access them without installing 3rd party BT drivers. In
other words, when I plug my USB Bluetooth Dongle into my XP machine nothing
happens unless I install the software that came with the Dongle. So to me,
even though there is API support without access to it from a user standpoint
it's pretty much meaningless.

Cheers
TC


"Edward" <eddwoNO@SPAMhotpop.com> wrote in message
news:bobuqg$njo$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk...
> I don't see the distinction. It is native, it is part of the API for the
OS
> as supplied by the OS manufacturer. Its present in the SDK.
>
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/de..._functions.asp
> What makes the MS APIs less native than the Apple ones?
>
> After XP SP2 I expect all XP machines will have these APIs built in, at
the
> moment you can only get them if you have a bluetooth device to use them
> with.
> Bluetooth is native in Windows CE.NET 4.2, same will be true of XP SP2.
>
>
> "Mauricio Freitas" <dr.emailposter@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
> newsoCob.4314$ws.412316@news02.tsnz.net...
> > Pre-installed, but not native... The only OS with this is currently the
> Mac
> > OS X 10.2 and up...
> >
> > I aghree about synchronisation... Native support for Bluetooth sync
would
> be
> > way to go - allowing sync to every device, not only MS Windows Mobile.
> >
> > --
> > Mauricio Freitas
> > Handhelds, mobile: http://www.geekzone.co.nz
> > Bluetooth guides: http://www.geekzone.co.nz/content.asp?contentid=449
> >
> >
> > "Edward" <eddwo@nospam.hotpop.com> wrote in message
> > news:bnunsm$mv3$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > > Well my boss bought a Sony Vaio Centrino Laptop, with Bluetooth built
> > > in. It had the Microsoft Bluetooth Stack preinstalled on it. It also
had
> > > another small system tray app for supporting a couple more profiles.
> > > Both programs could access the bluetooth device at the same time, its
> > > possible the tray app was written using the MS bluetooth APIs
> > >
> > > Hopefully there will be more native bluetooth stuff in XP SP2. The
> > > service pack has been delayed due to the new security features they
have
> > > added, some at the kernel level, that could break existing apps.
> > >
> > > Going forward into Longhorn I expect to see native PIM synchronisation
> > > using the WinFS store of contacts and calender events. There is a gui
> > > synchronisation manager built into the shell. It should mean it is no
> > > longer dependant on Outlook to function. I hope they do proper
bluetooth
> > > profile synch rather than just supporting ActiveSynch to MS Powered
> > > mobile phones.
> > >
> > > Mauricio Freitas wrote:
> > >
> > > > I think the original poster asked "natively" meaning like the Mac OS
> X:
> > plug
> > > > the dongle it works, without any installs... That's why I said none.
> > > >
> > > > Certified? Yes, there are some, including the TDK.
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Tony's comments are mine too. When I write native I mean support Bluetooth,
not support their hardware only.

Try connecting a non-MS Bluetooth device. Nothing will work. Now get the
same device and plug on a Mac OS X 10.2 and up machine and see it work.

The Microsoft support is added by a Service Pack and only for its own
hardware. It's not like a hard drive. With HDD the OS supports the IDE
standard, not Seagate or Maxtor or Fujitsu. With Bluetooth the OS supports
only MS hardware.

Also the Vaio Centrino does not use the Microsoft hardware, but a
third-party, and the software comes pre-installed. The same as buying the
USB dongle on the after market and installing yourself, except that it comes
tested and ready to use.


--
Mauricio Freitas
mobility, wireless, handhelds: http://www.geekzone.co.nz


"Tony Clark" <curiousgeorge1964@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:_7gqb.2161$Z25.1706@newsread4.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> Well I am confused. While the APIs seem to be there with SP1 there doesn't
> seem to be anyway to access them without installing 3rd party BT drivers.
In
> other words, when I plug my USB Bluetooth Dongle into my XP machine
nothing
> happens unless I install the software that came with the Dongle. So to me,
> even though there is API support without access to it from a user
standpoint
> it's pretty much meaningless.
>
> Cheers
> TC
>
>
> "Edward" <eddwoNO@SPAMhotpop.com> wrote in message
> news:bobuqg$njo$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > I don't see the distinction. It is native, it is part of the API for the
> OS
> > as supplied by the OS manufacturer. Its present in the SDK.
> >
>
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/de..._functions.asp
> > What makes the MS APIs less native than the Apple ones?
> >
> > After XP SP2 I expect all XP machines will have these APIs built in, at
> the
> > moment you can only get them if you have a bluetooth device to use them
> > with.
> > Bluetooth is native in Windows CE.NET 4.2, same will be true of XP SP2.
> >
> >
> > "Mauricio Freitas" <dr.emailposter@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
> > newsoCob.4314$ws.412316@news02.tsnz.net...
> > > Pre-installed, but not native... The only OS with this is currently
the
> > Mac
> > > OS X 10.2 and up...
> > >
> > > I aghree about synchronisation... Native support for Bluetooth sync
> would
> > be
> > > way to go - allowing sync to every device, not only MS Windows Mobile.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Mauricio Freitas
> > > Handhelds, mobile: http://www.geekzone.co.nz
> > > Bluetooth guides: http://www.geekzone.co.nz/content.asp?contentid=449
> > >
> > >
> > > "Edward" <eddwo@nospam.hotpop.com> wrote in message
> > > news:bnunsm$mv3$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > > > Well my boss bought a Sony Vaio Centrino Laptop, with Bluetooth
built
> > > > in. It had the Microsoft Bluetooth Stack preinstalled on it. It also
> had
> > > > another small system tray app for supporting a couple more profiles.
> > > > Both programs could access the bluetooth device at the same time,
its
> > > > possible the tray app was written using the MS bluetooth APIs
> > > >
> > > > Hopefully there will be more native bluetooth stuff in XP SP2. The
> > > > service pack has been delayed due to the new security features they
> have
> > > > added, some at the kernel level, that could break existing apps.
> > > >
> > > > Going forward into Longhorn I expect to see native PIM
synchronisation
> > > > using the WinFS store of contacts and calender events. There is a
gui
> > > > synchronisation manager built into the shell. It should mean it is
no
> > > > longer dependant on Outlook to function. I hope they do proper
> bluetooth
> > > > profile synch rather than just supporting ActiveSynch to MS Powered
> > > > mobile phones.
> > > >
> > > > Mauricio Freitas wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > I think the original poster asked "natively" meaning like the Mac
OS
> > X:
> > > plug
> > > > > the dongle it works, without any installs... That's why I said
none.
> > > > >
> > > > > Certified? Yes, there are some, including the TDK.
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Well at the moment you only get it with MS Hardware because it wasn't ready
for inclusion in SP1.
The idea is it will support any hardware once there are drivers written for
them.
It was the same situation for WiFi hardware before XP. There was no native
support in the OS for wireless so the manufacturers just made network
adaptor drivers and then supplied a configuration tool for you to set up
SSIDs WEP keys etc. With XP Microsoft provided a gui interface for
configuring all that and now the manufacturers write drivers to target that
interface.

Graphics card makes write drivers that support DirectX, scanner makers write
drivers that support Twain and WIA.
At the moment the MS stack is available to hardware manufacturers for them
to write drivers to support the interface.

I expect by SP2 there will be enough in-box drivers around to support a wide
variety of hardware. So it will be just a case of plugging in the adaptor
and having it work.
If there is no driver in windows for it you will just need to install a
driver, but not a whole bluetooth stack and Gui to make it work.
In the same way as with XP you might install a driver for a WiFi adaptor,
but you are unlikely to install a configuration tool to set SSIDs because it
will work with the WirelessZeroConfiguration that is already built in.
I don't believe ALL devices will work out of the box with OS X, just the
ones that have in-box drivers.
Actually since the implementation of bluetooth is largely dependant on the
chipset, e.g. CSR, Broadcom, etc. it may be possible to support the majority
of devices just by supporting a couple of different chipsets.


"Mauricio Freitas" <dr.emailposter@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
news:boc8d9$2ukg$1@si05.rsvl.unisys.com...
> Tony's comments are mine too. When I write native I mean support
Bluetooth,
> not support their hardware only.
>
> Try connecting a non-MS Bluetooth device. Nothing will work. Now get the
> same device and plug on a Mac OS X 10.2 and up machine and see it work.
>
> The Microsoft support is added by a Service Pack and only for its own
> hardware. It's not like a hard drive. With HDD the OS supports the IDE
> standard, not Seagate or Maxtor or Fujitsu. With Bluetooth the OS supports
> only MS hardware.
>
> Also the Vaio Centrino does not use the Microsoft hardware, but a
> third-party, and the software comes pre-installed. The same as buying the
> USB dongle on the after market and installing yourself, except that it
comes
> tested and ready to use.
>
>
> --
> Mauricio Freitas
> mobility, wireless, handhelds: http://www.geekzone.co.nz
>
>
> "Tony Clark" <curiousgeorge1964@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:_7gqb.2161$Z25.1706@newsread4.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> > Well I am confused. While the APIs seem to be there with SP1 there
doesn't
> > seem to be anyway to access them without installing 3rd party BT
drivers.
> In
> > other words, when I plug my USB Bluetooth Dongle into my XP machine
> nothing
> > happens unless I install the software that came with the Dongle. So to
me,
> > even though there is API support without access to it from a user
> standpoint
> > it's pretty much meaningless.
> >
> > Cheers
> > TC
> >
> >
> > "Edward" <eddwoNO@SPAMhotpop.com> wrote in message
> > news:bobuqg$njo$1@news7.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > > I don't see the distinction. It is native, it is part of the API for
the
> > OS
> > > as supplied by the OS manufacturer. Its present in the SDK.
> > >
> >
>
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/de..._functions.asp
> > > What makes the MS APIs less native than the Apple ones?
> > >
> > > After XP SP2 I expect all XP machines will have these APIs built in,
at
> > the
> > > moment you can only get them if you have a bluetooth device to use
them
> > > with.
> > > Bluetooth is native in Windows CE.NET 4.2, same will be true of XP
SP2.
> > >
> > >
> > > "Mauricio Freitas" <dr.emailposter@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
> > > newsoCob.4314$ws.412316@news02.tsnz.net...
> > > > Pre-installed, but not native... The only OS with this is currently
> the
> > > Mac
> > > > OS X 10.2 and up...
> > > >
> > > > I aghree about synchronisation... Native support for Bluetooth sync
> > would
> > > be
> > > > way to go - allowing sync to every device, not only MS Windows
Mobile.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Mauricio Freitas
> > > > Handhelds, mobile: http://www.geekzone.co.nz
> > > > Bluetooth guides:
http://www.geekzone.co.nz/content.asp?contentid=449
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "Edward" <eddwo@nospam.hotpop.com> wrote in message
> > > > news:bnunsm$mv3$1@news6.svr.pol.co.uk...
> > > > > Well my boss bought a Sony Vaio Centrino Laptop, with Bluetooth
> built
> > > > > in. It had the Microsoft Bluetooth Stack preinstalled on it. It
also
> > had
> > > > > another small system tray app for supporting a couple more
profiles.
> > > > > Both programs could access the bluetooth device at the same time,
> its
> > > > > possible the tray app was written using the MS bluetooth APIs
> > > > >
> > > > > Hopefully there will be more native bluetooth stuff in XP SP2. The
> > > > > service pack has been delayed due to the new security features
they
> > have
> > > > > added, some at the kernel level, that could break existing apps.
> > > > >
> > > > > Going forward into Longhorn I expect to see native PIM
> synchronisation
> > > > > using the WinFS store of contacts and calender events. There is a
> gui
> > > > > synchronisation manager built into the shell. It should mean it is
> no
> > > > > longer dependant on Outlook to function. I hope they do proper
> > bluetooth
> > > > > profile synch rather than just supporting ActiveSynch to MS
Powered
> > > > > mobile phones.
> > > > >
> > > > > Mauricio Freitas wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > I think the original poster asked "natively" meaning like the
Mac
> OS
> > > X:
> > > > plug
> > > > > > the dongle it works, without any installs... That's why I said
> none.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Certified? Yes, there are some, including the TDK.
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>