BT enabled without Win Logon

The Secure Connection will only encrypt the traffic. There's an option to
force a pass code to be entered in every connection attempt, but it can be
disabled.

Look at this thread for more info on this
http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp...23&TopicId=406

--
Mauricio Freitas
Handhelds, mobile: http://www.geekzone.co.nz
Bluetooth guides: http://www.geekzone.co.nz/content.asp?contentid=449


"Tony Clark" <curiousgeorge1964@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:qDP9b.6498$BS5.1294@newsread4.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> You can start the BT services automatically. If you go to My Bluetooth
> Places and look at the Bluetooth -->Advanced Configuration you will see a
> tab for Local Services. Look at the Properties of the service that you are
> interested in and there should be a check box for Start Automatically.
Some
> services allow you to specify a Secure Connection or not. I suspect that
if
> you check this you will have to respond to a passcode request. The problem
> is that some services such as Network Access do not allow you to turn off
> the secure connection check box. This implies to me that if you want a LAN
> connection you will have to specify a passcode with the device, but I don'
t
> know this for sure as I currently do not use this type service.
>
> Cheers
> TC
>
> "Oliver Doll" <news.de.uu.net-od@od.do.uunet.de> wrote in message
> news:3f617c30$0$258$4d4ebb8e@read.news.de.uu.net.. .
> > Hi,
> >
> > I'm using an Epox USB-BT Dongle with Widcomm 1.3.2.7 driver on a W2k
prof
> > system. Is it possible (if yes how to have the BT services enabled on
> the
> > W2k without a user to log on to the system starting his GUI? E.g. the BT
> > functionality shut come up by itself after a power outage. Of course I
> could
> > use an automated logon, but that's not desired.
> >
> > --
> > Cheers
> > Oliver
> >
>
>

Thanks that's good info.

I was wondering though, you still have to establish a pairing between the
devices don't you? Are you saying that making the changes you mentioned in
the other thread that I will NOT have to enter a passcode in order to pair
the devices?

Thanks
TC

"Mauricio Freitas" <dr.emailposter@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
news:jBV9b.1883$tv1.213620@news02.tsnz.net...
> The Secure Connection will only encrypt the traffic. There's an option to
> force a pass code to be entered in every connection attempt, but it can be
> disabled.
>
> Look at this thread for more info on this
> http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp...23&TopicId=406
>
> --
> Mauricio Freitas
> Handhelds, mobile: http://www.geekzone.co.nz
> Bluetooth guides: http://www.geekzone.co.nz/content.asp?contentid=449
>
>
> "Tony Clark" <curiousgeorge1964@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:qDP9b.6498$BS5.1294@newsread4.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> > You can start the BT services automatically. If you go to My Bluetooth
> > Places and look at the Bluetooth -->Advanced Configuration you will see
a
> > tab for Local Services. Look at the Properties of the service that you
are
> > interested in and there should be a check box for Start Automatically.
> Some
> > services allow you to specify a Secure Connection or not. I suspect that
> if
> > you check this you will have to respond to a passcode request. The
problem
> > is that some services such as Network Access do not allow you to turn
off
> > the secure connection check box. This implies to me that if you want a
LAN
> > connection you will have to specify a passcode with the device, but I
don'
> t
> > know this for sure as I currently do not use this type service.
> >
> > Cheers
> > TC
> >
> > "Oliver Doll" <news.de.uu.net-od@od.do.uunet.de> wrote in message
> > news:3f617c30$0$258$4d4ebb8e@read.news.de.uu.net.. .
> > > Hi,
> > >
> > > I'm using an Epox USB-BT Dongle with Widcomm 1.3.2.7 driver on a W2k
> prof
> > > system. Is it possible (if yes how to have the BT services enabled
on
> > the
> > > W2k without a user to log on to the system starting his GUI? E.g. the
BT
> > > functionality shut come up by itself after a power outage. Of course I
> > could
> > > use an automated logon, but that's not desired.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Cheers
> > > Oliver
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

You're right you still have to pair the devices. With newer drivers even
with paired devices you'd have to enter the pass code in every connection
attempt. With this registry change you only have to pair the devices.

I've seen this behavior with TDK 1.4 beta and was reported with DLINK 1.4.

--
Mauricio Freitas
Handhelds, mobile: http://www.geekzone.co.nz
Bluetooth guides: http://www.geekzone.co.nz/content.asp?contentid=449


"Tony Clark" <curiousgeorge1964@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:gV0ab.7216$BS5.2977@newsread4.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> Thanks that's good info.
>
> I was wondering though, you still have to establish a pairing between the
> devices don't you? Are you saying that making the changes you mentioned in
> the other thread that I will NOT have to enter a passcode in order to pair
> the devices?
>
> Thanks
> TC
>
> "Mauricio Freitas" <dr.emailposter@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
> news:jBV9b.1883$tv1.213620@news02.tsnz.net...
> > The Secure Connection will only encrypt the traffic. There's an option
to
> > force a pass code to be entered in every connection attempt, but it can
be
> > disabled.
> >
> > Look at this thread for more info on this
> > http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp...23&TopicId=406
> >
> > --
> > Mauricio Freitas
> > Handhelds, mobile: http://www.geekzone.co.nz
> > Bluetooth guides: http://www.geekzone.co.nz/content.asp?contentid=449
> >
> >
> > "Tony Clark" <curiousgeorge1964@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:qDP9b.6498$BS5.1294@newsread4.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> > > You can start the BT services automatically. If you go to My Bluetooth
> > > Places and look at the Bluetooth -->Advanced Configuration you will
see
> a
> > > tab for Local Services. Look at the Properties of the service that you
> are
> > > interested in and there should be a check box for Start Automatically.
> > Some
> > > services allow you to specify a Secure Connection or not. I suspect
that
> > if
> > > you check this you will have to respond to a passcode request. The
> problem
> > > is that some services such as Network Access do not allow you to turn
> off
> > > the secure connection check box. This implies to me that if you want a
> LAN
> > > connection you will have to specify a passcode with the device, but I
> don'
> > t
> > > know this for sure as I currently do not use this type service.
> > >
> > > Cheers
> > > TC
> > >
> > > "Oliver Doll" <news.de.uu.net-od@od.do.uunet.de> wrote in message
> > > news:3f617c30$0$258$4d4ebb8e@read.news.de.uu.net.. .
> > > > Hi,
> > > >
> > > > I'm using an Epox USB-BT Dongle with Widcomm 1.3.2.7 driver on a W2k
> > prof
> > > > system. Is it possible (if yes how to have the BT services
enabled
> on
> > > the
> > > > W2k without a user to log on to the system starting his GUI? E.g.
the
> BT
> > > > functionality shut come up by itself after a power outage. Of course
I
> > > could
> > > > use an automated logon, but that's not desired.
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Cheers
> > > > Oliver
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

It would be nice if you could configure the PC software for a pre-determined
passcode. Sort of like my BT headset which is preset for a specific code.
That way noone actually has to fire up the server GUI and if you wanted to
make it more secure you could allow say 3 attempts to get the passcode
correct then the SW could lock out that particular BT device.

TC


"Mauricio Freitas" <dr.emailposter@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
news:aYbab.2015$tv1.234098@news02.tsnz.net...
> You're right you still have to pair the devices. With newer drivers even
> with paired devices you'd have to enter the pass code in every connection
> attempt. With this registry change you only have to pair the devices.
>
> I've seen this behavior with TDK 1.4 beta and was reported with DLINK 1.4.
>
> --
> Mauricio Freitas
> Handhelds, mobile: http://www.geekzone.co.nz
> Bluetooth guides: http://www.geekzone.co.nz/content.asp?contentid=449
>
>
> "Tony Clark" <curiousgeorge1964@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:gV0ab.7216$BS5.2977@newsread4.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> > Thanks that's good info.
> >
> > I was wondering though, you still have to establish a pairing between
the
> > devices don't you? Are you saying that making the changes you mentioned
in
> > the other thread that I will NOT have to enter a passcode in order to
pair
> > the devices?
> >
> > Thanks
> > TC
> >
> > "Mauricio Freitas" <dr.emailposter@nowhere.invalid> wrote in message
> > news:jBV9b.1883$tv1.213620@news02.tsnz.net...
> > > The Secure Connection will only encrypt the traffic. There's an option
> to
> > > force a pass code to be entered in every connection attempt, but it
can
> be
> > > disabled.
> > >
> > > Look at this thread for more info on this
> > > http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp...23&TopicId=406
> > >
> > > --
> > > Mauricio Freitas
> > > Handhelds, mobile: http://www.geekzone.co.nz
> > > Bluetooth guides: http://www.geekzone.co.nz/content.asp?contentid=449
> > >
> > >
> > > "Tony Clark" <curiousgeorge1964@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > > news:qDP9b.6498$BS5.1294@newsread4.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> > > > You can start the BT services automatically. If you go to My
Bluetooth
> > > > Places and look at the Bluetooth -->Advanced Configuration you will
> see
> > a
> > > > tab for Local Services. Look at the Properties of the service that
you
> > are
> > > > interested in and there should be a check box for Start
Automatically.
> > > Some
> > > > services allow you to specify a Secure Connection or not. I suspect
> that
> > > if
> > > > you check this you will have to respond to a passcode request. The
> > problem
> > > > is that some services such as Network Access do not allow you to
turn
> > off
> > > > the secure connection check box. This implies to me that if you want
a
> > LAN
> > > > connection you will have to specify a passcode with the device, but
I
> > don'
> > > t
> > > > know this for sure as I currently do not use this type service.
> > > >
> > > > Cheers
> > > > TC
> > > >
> > > > "Oliver Doll" <news.de.uu.net-od@od.do.uunet.de> wrote in message
> > > > news:3f617c30$0$258$4d4ebb8e@read.news.de.uu.net.. .
> > > > > Hi,
> > > > >
> > > > > I'm using an Epox USB-BT Dongle with Widcomm 1.3.2.7 driver on a
W2k
> > > prof
> > > > > system. Is it possible (if yes how to have the BT services
> enabled
> > on
> > > > the
> > > > > W2k without a user to log on to the system starting his GUI? E.g.
> the
> > BT
> > > > > functionality shut come up by itself after a power outage. Of
course
> I
> > > > could
> > > > > use an automated logon, but that's not desired.
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Cheers
> > > > > Oliver
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
>
>

Both,

thanks for you feedback so far, but

Mauricio Freitas <dr.emailposter@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
> "Tony Clark" <curiousgeorge1964@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:qDP9b.6498$BS5.1294@newsread4.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
>> "Oliver Doll" <news.de.uu.net-od@od.do.uunet.de> wrote in message
>> news:3f617c30$0$258$4d4ebb8e@read.news.de.uu.net.. .
>>> I'm using an Epox USB-BT Dongle with Widcomm 1.3.2.7 driver on a
>>> W2k prof system. Is it possible (if yes how to have the BT
>>> services enabled on the W2k without a user to log on to the system
>>> starting his GUI? E.g. the BT functionality shut come up by itself
>>> after a power outage. Of course I could use an automated logon, but
>>> that's not desired.
>>
>> You can start the BT services automatically. If you go to My
>> Bluetooth Places and look at the Bluetooth -->Advanced Configuration
>> you will see a tab for Local Services. Look at the Properties of the
>> service that you are interested in and there should be a check box
>> for Start Automatically. Some services allow you to specify a Secure
>> Connection or not. I suspect that if you check this you will have to
>> respond to a passcode request. The problem is that some services
>> such as Network Access do not allow you to turn off the secure
>> connection check box. This implies to me that if you want a LAN
>> connection you will have to specify a passcode with the device, but
>> I don' t know this for sure as I currently do not use this type
>> service.
>
> The Secure Connection will only encrypt the traffic. There's an
> option to force a pass code to be entered in every connection
> attempt, but it can be disabled.
>
> Look at this thread for more info on this
> http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp...23&TopicId=406

I think you were talking about something else

In the meantime I think I found a solution by myself (at least kinda
workaround).

I now start the BTStackServer.exe via a Sheduled Task under my users account
at the startup of the machine, which works fine e.g. to browse the net via a
BT connection with my Palm (no additinal pairing nor auth needed). I even
omit the start of the BTTray.exe, now, which normally gets started when I
log on (saving some RAM .

--
Cheers
Oliver

"Oliver Doll" <news.de.uu.net-od@od.do.uunet.de> wrote in message
news:3f69e560$0$270$4d4ebb8e@read.news.de.uu.net.. .
> Both,
>
> thanks for you feedback so far, but
>
> I think you were talking about something else
>
> In the meantime I think I found a solution by myself (at least kinda
> workaround).
>
> I now start the BTStackServer.exe via a Sheduled Task under my users
account
> at the startup of the machine, which works fine e.g. to browse the net via
a
> BT connection with my Palm (no additinal pairing nor auth needed). I even
> omit the start of the BTTray.exe, now, which normally gets started when I
> log on (saving some RAM .
>
> --
> Cheers
> Oliver

Oliver, I saw your first post and didn't reply to it... Sorry, I actually
drifted away to the OT thread. You're right, would be good to have a Service
that could start with the machine. But your solution works fine. I don't
mind the BTTray running (plenty of RAM here) because I have multiple
devices - and the Sony Ericsson P800 synchronisation starts only from the
desktop side.

--
Mauricio Freitas
Handhelds, mobile: http://www.geekzone.co.nz
Bluetooth guides: http://www.geekzone.co.nz/content.asp?contentid=449
>

LOL...isn't that the way of the Internet? Ask a question get a completely
off-topic answer??

I am curious to understand why you don't have to pair the Palm with the PC?
Is it because you have already paired the Palm with the PC previously? If
this is the case does the pairing survive a reboot?

I am also interested to know why you started the task under your user
account and not the administrator account? Is it a security issue or do you
not have Admin priveledges on the PC?

Thanks in advance for the info.

TC


"Oliver Doll" <news.de.uu.net-od@od.do.uunet.de> wrote in message
news:3f69e560$0$270$4d4ebb8e@read.news.de.uu.net.. .
> Both,
>
> thanks for you feedback so far, but
>
> Mauricio Freitas <dr.emailposter@nowhere.invalid> wrote:
> > "Tony Clark" <curiousgeorge1964@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> > news:qDP9b.6498$BS5.1294@newsread4.news.pas.earthl ink.net...
> >> "Oliver Doll" <news.de.uu.net-od@od.do.uunet.de> wrote in message
> >> news:3f617c30$0$258$4d4ebb8e@read.news.de.uu.net.. .
> >>> I'm using an Epox USB-BT Dongle with Widcomm 1.3.2.7 driver on a
> >>> W2k prof system. Is it possible (if yes how to have the BT
> >>> services enabled on the W2k without a user to log on to the system
> >>> starting his GUI? E.g. the BT functionality shut come up by itself
> >>> after a power outage. Of course I could use an automated logon, but
> >>> that's not desired.
> >>
> >> You can start the BT services automatically. If you go to My
> >> Bluetooth Places and look at the Bluetooth -->Advanced Configuration
> >> you will see a tab for Local Services. Look at the Properties of the
> >> service that you are interested in and there should be a check box
> >> for Start Automatically. Some services allow you to specify a Secure
> >> Connection or not. I suspect that if you check this you will have to
> >> respond to a passcode request. The problem is that some services
> >> such as Network Access do not allow you to turn off the secure
> >> connection check box. This implies to me that if you want a LAN
> >> connection you will have to specify a passcode with the device, but
> >> I don' t know this for sure as I currently do not use this type
> >> service.
> >
> > The Secure Connection will only encrypt the traffic. There's an
> > option to force a pass code to be entered in every connection
> > attempt, but it can be disabled.
> >
> > Look at this thread for more info on this
> > http://www.geekzone.co.nz/forums.asp...23&TopicId=406
>
> I think you were talking about something else
>
> In the meantime I think I found a solution by myself (at least kinda
> workaround).
>
> I now start the BTStackServer.exe via a Sheduled Task under my users
account
> at the startup of the machine, which works fine e.g. to browse the net via
a
> BT connection with my Palm (no additinal pairing nor auth needed). I even
> omit the start of the BTTray.exe, now, which normally gets started when I
> log on (saving some RAM .
>
> --
> Cheers
> Oliver
>

Tony Clark <curiousgeorge1964@hotmail.com> wrote:
> LOL...isn't that the way of the Internet? Ask a question get a
> completely off-topic answer??

not always BTW: I don't have to claim the workaround just for myself. A
colleague of mine gave me the hint with the Sheduled Task

> I am curious to understand why you don't have to pair the Palm with
> the PC? Is it because you have already paired the Palm with the PC
> previously? If this is the case does the pairing survive a reboot?

Yes. With the Widcomm 1.3.2.7 driver I once paired my devices for the
specific services (LAN access, Serial BT for Palm Hotsync,...) and since
then I never had to do it again. (I think in some of the previous versions I
had the trouble that I even explictly had to destroy a pairing on my palm to
get it working again - and of course, you have to be logged on for that).

> I am also interested to know why you started the task under your user
> account and not the administrator account? Is it a security issue or
> do you not have Admin priveledges on the PC?

I have admin priv on my PC, but as I normally use it with my 'normal'
account name (which also has priv level thou) I just tried it that way as
everything was prepared already. I think (but didn't tried yet) that it also
should work with the Admin account, but I guess you'd have to do the initial
pairing info etc. first, as the pairing and other information (automatic
start of services) are individual settings stored with the account?!

--
Cheers
Oliver